What is the biggest lie?

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That is a claim, you have asserted something is untrue, thus you are asserting the contrary is true.

Another lie, in it’s in your profile. You also responded to a post about a deity…

Then I asked:

Why don’t we focus on the one you believe is real, that seems to make sense, since you have taken the time to come to an atheist debate forum and declare yourself a theist.

Naturally you have ignored this, yet again.

No just wondering when to call you as a troll, it’s getting pretty close now. In fact I’m calling it, troll.

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Great!

Uh, will you now be retracting your accusation of me being disingenuous? Or are you going to maintain that the failure to be poetic in someone not known for not being poetic, is disingenuous? :woman_shrugging:t6:

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I was just joking with my last comment, but it did remind me of something I read awhile back that I found extremely intriguing. It was in regards to politics, but might apply to some degree to religion too.

It was the idea that personality types make us perceive the world in different ways and our truths are often exaggerated by those types. Additionally, varying personalities contribute to the things we like and dislike, and also determine the things we place moral value on. In some cases, this could be extended to the idea that people with different types could not agree on something at its core, because the premises of most arguments stem from those personality types. This seems to maybe only apply to subjective ideas, obviously I’m not referring to mathematical truths.

There was a survey conducted to determine personality types and their political affiliation. The results were used to make a tool that could actually PREDICT political affiliation based only on personality.

I guess what I’m getting at is a creative personality type sees the world differently than a scientific one.

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Humor me a bit here. Gonna use my simple mind to give a stab at trying to explain this as simply as possible so that maybe even Sid can understand it in some small way…

Life. From the most simplistic single-cell organism, to basic plants, on up to the amazing complexity of we the human species on this tiny speck of dust we call Earth. Life. Arose on THIS planet in microscopic form billions of years ago and grew in complexity and size over the course of eons. Life. Surrounded each and every minute of each and every day by any number of dangers/threats that could wipe it out of existence within the blink of an eye. Life. What meaning does it have?

As has already been pointed out here by a couple of folks, our human species has existed on our tiny “life raft” of a planet for a rather insignificant amount of time overall. Basically, as a rough comparison, our human timeline on the cosmic calendar would be like a single blade of grass within all the other grass on professional soccer field. In other words, we are barely a hiccup. On top of that, we have been “technologically advanced” for only a very tiny fraction of even THAT timeline. Get the picture?.. Okay, cool… So, with that foundation in place, let us move on to “the meaning of life”.

First, let’s get something out of the way real quick. YES, most everybody agrees that we as sentient, conscious, social humans do attempt on an individual/personal level to designate some significant “meaning” to our lives. Granted, not ALL humans do this, but generally speaking most do in some form or fashion. So, there. No arguments about that. Now, moving right along…

Therefore, what is the meaning of LIFE (in general)? The easiest way I know how to answer this is with the following scenario. For some unknown reason, our life-providing sun goes supernova millions of years sooner than expected. As such it expands out within our Solar System engulfing all the inner planets (Earth included) within a matter of minutes, obliterating them and all that is on them. One minute the Earth is here, the next minute it is as though it never existed. Tell me, please, what was the meaning of the Life that existed on our planet? I’m all ears waiting on an answer.

Edit: (It’s worth noting that the human race as a whole is likely to be long extinct prior to the actual “scheduled” dying of our sun. Just sayin’…)

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So to be clear: even though you accused me of being disingenuous, you were the one being disingenuous?

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Well, since your profile states that you are a theist, and you claim that our lives do have meaning, why don’t you tell us what that meaning is, or where it comes from. If not from your god, then where?

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The problem is I can’t tell when you’re joking. Not sure if it’s the disconnect due to reading text opposed to in person, or because mathematicians also don’t have the same type of humor as most.

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Then you should assume I am not.

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He doesn’t appear to have any interest in debate, just in making disingenuous claims, and then hiding behind semantics.

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I’m not a mathematician, but I rather enjoy Nyar’s unique sense of humor.

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What the fuck is that supposed mean?

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I guess not. I don’t see a point in having a conversation with someone who believes I am disingenuous. :wave:t6:

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Serious question for you though, what does it mean to be a mathematician. Very curious what it is that you do.

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Yes, I will take it back.

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Well I went to college, got a few degrees in math (but no doctorate), and I work for a gaming company (where gaming means casino/gambling). Most of my efforts for my employer revolve around reviewing/proof reading the work of others (I mean for problems associated with numbers, not spelling). I promise you: it is not exciting, but it pays the bills.

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I think that’s interesting actually. Is it like general accounting or are you proofreading the algorithms that are designed to give the house the best chance at winning? Lol

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You know this how? It smacks of an ad populum fallacy. “Most people until comparatively recently, believed the earth was flat”

It seems your argument has been exposed as fallacious…once again.

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Whaaaaa??? Ny has a sense of humor??? Fuck. Really??? Nah - you’re joking Tin, right?

off pondering :thinking: Ny’s past motives given my present situation

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I’d guess it’s more than 80% general accounting. And I guess ultimately it all goes though accounting at some point.

No, I don’t work that closely with the gambling stuff. Also; casinos are interested in maximizing profit, not chances to win.

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It’s nothing to do with religion whatsoever. The impulse to search for meaning in life is a fundamental human drive that has no dependence on anything as a precondition to exist .