The problem is, you’ll validate my experience, just not the authenticity of it.
Yes. I hear voices. Yes. I Interact with them. But. Are they in anyway anything other than a malfunction in my brain? You would say “no”, I’m assuming.
For me, it’s a basic human condition - to be in touch with a power greater than me. This isn’t “faith” of any kind.
I used to be a nonbeliever. I had no evidence for anything beyond my internal thoughts.
After one has been through a very gradual and gruelling course in understanding my full potential as a human - with the help of the EvilOne and the OverLord, that opinion all changes.
Get the shots!!! * INVEGA TRINZA® (paliperidone palmitate) a 3-month injection, is an atypical antipsychotic indicated for the treatment of schizophrenia in patients* (quote)
Ratty, if we were all true to our authentic experience, the world would still be flat. The hallmark of good science is independent verification of your results. A comprehensive review, analysis, and testing performed by an objective third party to confirm your methodology and conclusions.
You don’t have that. Relying on your subjective experience is no way to make sense of the world we actually live in.
Well it’s a statement of the facts as I see them, I neither approve nor disapprove of your believing it, I am simply disbelieving as it is not supported by any objective evidence, and is entirely anecdotal. However given you’ve been diagnosed as schizophrenic, the hallucinations should be discussed with your doctor, to see if medication would be appropriate.
You need to understand this is a standard I apply to belief independently of who is making any claim. I also think that in order for the evidence to be deemed sufficient, the nature of the claim must be considered. So firstly a purely anecdotal claim would be the least compelling, at one end of a scale if you like that increases as objective evidence is demonstrated for that claim. Parenthetically a claim for a supernatural event is extremely extraordinary, I am not aware of any objective evidence anything supernatural is even possible, so what I deem sufficient would increase directly in proportion with the nature of the claim.
Why would you assume it is authentic? If I had such an experience I’d almost certainly doubt it was a supernatural event in the absence of any corroborating objective evidence. Everyone’s brains are capable of being deceived and experiencing hallucinations, they are simply not reliable all the time. When I see an illusionist perform magic, my brain if being fooled, and this is when I know before hand it’s going to happen, so how reliable should I assume personal experience alone is? The inference seems pretty obvious.
“Delusions are extremely common in schizophrenia, occurring in more than 90% of those who have the disorder.”
“An estimated 80-90 percent of individuals with schizophrenia and other psychotic disorders experience delusions — false, but strongly held, beliefs that can be distressing and debilitating.”
Do you see how your interpretation of the experience as authentic is directly contradicted here by known facts?
An hallucination can include seeing, hearing, tasting, smelling, or feeling something that isn’t there. Whereas delusions are false beliefs despite evidence to the contrary.
Hallucinations have been shown to occur among 6-15% of the general population, the objective evidence demonstrates that your condition means you are far more likely to experience them. The most common hallucinations experience by those suffering from schizophrenia are auditory.
“Hearing voices—sometimes multiple voices—or other sounds like whispering or murmuring. Voices may seem angry or urgent and often make demands on the hallucinating person.”
“The most common hallucinations in schizophrenia are auditory, followed by visual. Tactile, olfactory and gustatory are reported less frequently”
NB *"Whenever a person hears their own voice, it sets off a “recognition circuit” in the brain. This circuit works by comparing the sound you hear with the expected sound of your own voice; if they match, your brain concludes that the voice was your own. If the heard voice doesn’t match your brain’s prediction, you conclude that someone else is speaking.
Scientists believe that patients with schizophrenia have a defect in this circuit, so their brain incorrectly identifies a mismatch between their own voice and the voice they hear, making them think the voice belongs to someone else."*
Why is that a problem when the medical evidence suggest it is extremely likely to be an hallucination? No one is judging you personally here, only trying to relate the facts to their conclusions.
Well I would say that if you suffer from schizophrenia the rates at which you experience hallucinations goes from the 6-15% among the general population, to between 80-90%. This is an objectively observed fact, your claim however is solely anecdotal, however real they seem to you, the fact is they are overwhelmingly likely to be a symptom of your schizophrenia.
Since we know auditory hallucinations are a fact, even among the general population, why would I assume it is the voice of a supernatural deity that we don’t have any objective evidence is even possible?
A paranormal paratrooper was paragliding one day, and it was paramount that specific parameters were met before he deployed his emergency parachute so as to avoid calling the paramedics and potentially becoming a paraplegic, thus causing a few paragraphs about the incident to be written by the paralegal in the attorney’s file.
Paranormal practitioners often rely upon parasocial relationships to ply their somewhat parasitic trade. Whereas a parakeet carrying a parasol in paradise is a paradox of questionable value when assessing the functions of a parasympathetic nervous system within the realm of medical paradigm.
Sure. For example. It will often imitate the voices of other people. People on the radio, singers, pod casters.
Not only are the voices exact replications of the people I hear on digital media, their personalities are also the same.
It tells me things about the size and shape of the universe. Not necessarily accurate things. But it has a distinct intention to show me, “the universe looks like this. The multiverse looks like this. The entire collection of multiverses looks like this.”
Certainly not visuals that I have cooked up myself. As I say, maybe not accurate, but certainly unique and certainly intentionally delivered.
These aren’t “psychedelic” hallucinations where the walls breathe or change colour.
These are voices with personalities interacting with you in an intentional, and very often hostile manner.
They act with hostility to lead you towards an ultimate goal. Something I’ve achieved. And as a by-product have now gained the confidence of my voice. Ie. he’s friendly.
Now that I’ve understood his intentions for my overall spiritual outlook, he has no reason to torture me.
The schizophrenics of the world who talk to themselves, cut themselves, abuse themselves and others, have not learned the lessons. Not everyone will. And those who don’t -are treated without mercy. The learning curve is STEEP
Seroquel is a good mood-stabilizer/antipsychotic. I’m not a psychiatrist, let alone yours BUT is your doctor aware that your voices are still there and you’re attributing it to the “supernatural”?
IF you are currently in a place where you are functioning with a decent quality of life and self-care…have gotten to where your voice/s are “friendly” - for all I know, that’s the best your body physically responds to medication.
I dreamed there was a gas leak last night, the smell I dreamed was exactly like the real thing, why wouldn’t it be, since my mind was replicating the real thing as it always does.
So nothing the human imagination couldn’t create.
Since medical science can demonstrate the effect of such medication is entirely natural, this obviously demonstrates the voices are also entirely natural, and does not support the idea they are supernatural in origin.
If their expertise wasn’t in that field, they could refer you to someone who would be able to help. It’s a condition that needs carefully managing. Just as any other health condition might, like diabetes. Simply ignoring it is not a good idea.
As I demonstrated above with citations, these are precisely the kinds of hallucination that someone suffering from schizophrenia is very likely to experience without proper medication. The rate of hallucinations among the general population is between 6-15%, whereas among people suffering from schizophrenia it’s around 80-90%, this means the objective evidence is demonstrating that these hallucinations are overwhelmingly likely to be a symptom of your schizophrenia. The fact you have stated they can be stopped by the entirely natural effect of certain medication, also demonstrates they are very likely the natural symptoms of that condition. The most common hallucination experienced by those suffering from schizophrenia are auditory hallucinations as well.
Not if they seek the proper medical help, that will medicate the condition and control the hallucinations. I appreciate you think you can cope along with this, but the fact you are telling us you believe these hallucinations are real is pretty worrying.
An hallucination can include seeing, hearing, tasting, smelling, or feeling something that isn’t there. Whereas delusions are false beliefs despite evidence to the contrary.
Hallucinations have been shown to occur among 6-15% of the general population, the objective evidence demonstrates that your condition means you are far more likely to experience them. The most common hallucinations experience by those suffering from schizophrenia are auditory. Here are the quotes and linked citations I previously posted on the subject.
“Hearing voices—sometimes multiple voices—or other sounds like whispering or murmuring. Voices may seem angry or urgent and often make demands on the hallucinating person.”
“The most common hallucinations in schizophrenia are auditory, followed by visual. Tactile, olfactory and gustatory are reported less frequently”
NB *"Whenever a person hears their own voice, it sets off a “recognition circuit” in the brain. This circuit works by comparing the sound you hear with the expected sound of your own voice; if they match, your brain concludes that the voice was your own. If the heard voice doesn’t match your brain’s prediction, you conclude that someone else is speaking.
Scientists believe that patients with schizophrenia have a defect in this circuit, so their brain incorrectly identifies a mismatch between their own voice and the voice they hear, making them think the voice belongs to someone else."*
As if taking more meds are going to erase the fact that I cannot and do not identify with this more intelligent and powerful voice which is soft or loud depending on my spiritual state? Are the meds supposed to “fix” the issue?
Sure. The voice I hear belongs to a collective. In other words, when beings evolve to a certain stage where they cannot become more powerful or long lived, they are indistinguishable from one another. So, when I tell you that the EvilOne is the one actually making your dreams, I mean he is the same and different from the one who makes my dreams. Take away message, the Evil One creates your dreams.
I’ll bet you a million dollars that not in your wildest dreams would you describe the universe, the multiverse, and the entire collection of multiverses as they have been shown to me in visions gifted by the EvilOne. Not in your wildest dreams. Ie. no. Incorrect.
What exactly are you proving with these statistics?
Don’t worry about me, Sheldon. It’s been twenty years in the making. I’m a happily married, gainfully employed, older gentleman with a pack full of animals, a nice little mortgage, and plenty of friends, and family.
This is the only place where I feel comfortable admitting my issues. It would be as if you came and talked about your own inner “demons”.
This is silly. I’m not mistaking my voice for another. This little citation seems to conveniently ignore the CONTENT of the voice. Mine is entirely superior to me. It always has an objective when speaking to me. It always INTENDS that I adopt such and such spiritual attitude to my being.
Imagine having a guide like that. Something who knows how to elevate you spiritually, without the need for worship, in a benevolent way which requires the training of a malevolent torturer. I’m always on my toes, always being tested. The training is gradual with a steep drop off. Like the ocean. I have reached the drop off where my training has now compounded upon mastery of the four ecstatic states of time and being.
Maybe, but then it’s not my imagination creating those hallucinations, it’s yours, this doesn’t change the fact the evidence all points to them being derived entirely naturally from your mind, or that someone with schizophrenia is overwhelmingly more likely to experience such hallucinations.
Someone with schizophrenia is vastly more likely to experience hallucinations. There is no objective evidence that deities or anything supernatural “talk” to us, or send us messages. The inference is pretty clear.
The objective medical evidence suggests that is exactly what is happening. As I explained earlier:
"Whenever a person hears their own voice, it sets off a “recognition circuit” in the brain. This circuit works by comparing the sound you hear with the expected sound of your own voice; if they match, your brain concludes that the voice was your own. If the heard voice doesn’t match your brain’s prediction, you conclude that someone else is speaking.
Scientists believe that patients with schizophrenia have a defect in this circuit, so their brain incorrectly identifies a mismatch between their own voice and the voice they hear, making them think the voice belongs to someone else."
The citation is for the prevailing medical opinion, I cannot comment on anecdotal claims, beyond pointing out I lend them no credence.
Without wishing to be rude, that is what you are doing, imagining the hallucinations are useful guide. This may be harmless or not depending on what these “voices” tell you, but there is a risk or danger in the delusion they are real.
Again this does not sound like the hallucinations are not entirely innocuous, and I would urge anyone under such circumstances to seek proper medical help just to be safe.
I would change paranormal to simply ‘conclusions.’ In the absence of facts, we invent possible conclusions. This was the beauty of science. We began testing those conclusions. r brns jst ntrlly cmplt sht. Mst ppl hv n prblm ndrstndng ths.
Damn … that was a quote, but I don’t know if I copied from above of online (usually I indicate the quote) must have been an off day…(hard to remember May 2022)
BUT is your doctor aware that your voices are still there and you’re attributing it to the “supernatural”?