In my opinion, this is where religion makes people into irresponsible and illogical creatures. I am confident you are a “good” person, and if we encountered each other in person, notwithstanding anything religion, I would probably buy you a beer and enjoy a wonderful time with you.
But then along comes religion. You advocate fully buying into something, without checking it out. But ask yourself, do you do that in any other aspect of your life? As Whitefire demonstrated, would you send ten thousand dollars to a Nigerian prince because he says “trust me”, in the promise of a ten-fold return? Or buy a house without first having it inspected? Of buy a car without checking out how reliable it is? Would you send your children to a school that you did not check out first? Or look both ways before crossing a street?
Please, ponder the folly of accepting anything before some form of validation or examination.
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In my opinion, this is where religion makes people into irresponsible and illogical creatures. I am confident you are a “good” person, and if we encountered each other in person, notwithstanding anything religion, I would probably buy you a beer and enjoy a wonderful time with you.
But then along comes religion. You advocate fully buying into something, without checking it out. But ask yourself, do you do that in any other aspect of your life? As Whitefire demonstrated, would you send ten thousand dollars to a Nigerian prince because he says “trust me”, in the promise of a ten-fold return? Or buy a house without first having it inspected? Of buy a car without checking out how reliable it is? Would you send your children to a school that you did not check out first? Or look both ways before crossing a street?
Please, ponder the folly of accepting anything before some form of validation or examination.[/quote]
Your mistake is that you think faith just comes without checking or inspection. If there is no reason to believe, then it is useless.
In John 6v45, we read jesus saying that WHOEVER wants to do the will of God or has been taught by God would know if his words are true or not and they would come to him. This means that they would be convinced.
There is a certain form of knowledge you have that triggers faith. Faith usually does not go that far into rational reasoning before coming alive, but rational reasons could be part of its ingredients.
Even when jesus was recorded as saying to Thomas, blessed are those who have not seen but believe. That belief is still not blind faith, it comes from understanding the scriptures that the messaiah should die and rise again for the hope of Israel to become realized.
Thomas should have understood the scriptures that jesus would rise again, even without seeing. Apart from the scriptures, Thomas had also seen the miracles of jesus, and heard the teachings of jesus, and concluded that jesus was the messiah, if jesus was the Messiah and jesus said he would die and rise again, then Thomas should have faith ( even without further evidence or without seeing) that jesus would rise again from the dead.
It’s difficult, but I tried to explain Biblical Faith there, it is not blind or totally without rational as many atheists and even Christians assume.
Hmmmm… Uh, yeah, aboooout thaaaat… Maybe I’m just a stubborn non-conformist, but I’m not much for submitting to narcissistic bullies. Matter of fact, I spent a large portion of my life standing up against them. Soooooo, uh, looks like I’ll just have to miss out on whatever “benefits” you claim to receive by allowing some imaginary concept to control your life. Woe is me, I suppose… (shrugging shoulders)…
Unfortunately, good sir, you have just opened up a HUGE can of worms, easily dispelled. I could easily offer dozens of examples, but I will submit two, each quite different in the people involved, but each with tragic outcomes.
A medical examiner’s report recently made public, however, is now raising questions about Carsyn’s case. The Miami-Dade County Medical Examiner found that the immunocompromised teen went to a large church party with roughly 100 other children where she did not wear a mask and social distancing was not enforced. Then, after getting sick, nearly a week passed before she was taken to the hospital, and during that time her parents gave her hydroxychloroquine, an anti-malarial drug touted by President Donald Trump that the Food and Drug Administration has issued warnings about, saying usage could cause potentially deadly heart rhythm problems.
Second example.
Nineteen young men, who had the potential to live full lives and be moral, were swayed by their religion into committing one of the most evil and horrific acts in modern history. They were the terrorists who martyred themselves in 911.
Exactly, confidence in yourself, in God, or in something, for certain reasons, is what is called Faith.
Even if they have irrational views of themselves, it is still Faith, but not faith on solid grounds.
Faith in jesus or God to me, is based on solid grounds, if the words of jesus when applied to my life for instance, turn things around for me as compared to my previous ways, then I can say that I have some reasons for my faith( they may not be completely rational reasons and they may be subjective, but at least they are also not totally irrational as well nor am I without reasons for believing).
Faith, is a currency, used in the Kingdom of Heaven. Without faith, it is impossible to have a meaningful transaction with people online. The lack of faith, puts you at a disadvantage when dealing with God.
Every human being, including you of course, daily exercises some form, level and/or type of faith
Welcome to the AR. Please, enlighten me. How exactly does one “deal with” god? Oh, and to which god are you referring, by the way. There are only a few thousand gods out there. Would be nice to know which one needs to be dealt with.
Nope. Confidence is measured - meaning:
• * the state of feeling certain about the truth of something.
“it is not possible to say with confidence how much of the increase in sea levels is due to melting glaciers”
a feeling of self-assurance arising from one’s appreciation of one’s own abilities or qualities.
“she’s brimming with confidence”
Actually, “confidence” can be used against you if there is no evidence of truth - ie a confidence man or “con man”. Normally they play off of people’s fear, greed or ignorance. Things they say will make sense, and sometimes, depending on the “game” you’ll get a little back at first to lure you in deeper.
Your “faith” is not on solid ground. It is “God’s Word” (no evidence of god or that “it’s” communicating with anyone) written by men - YOU have to take their (the men’s’) word for it. That’s shaky and invisible ground - the Koran, Book of Mormon, etc (cult leaders) all get special knowledge from god to pass to men - “confidence game”.
You have reason for believing in YOURSELF. Self help gurus and motivational speakers and fictional books and non fiction books and songs and art, movies - the list goes on where a person can get inspiration or self help messages.
Having been following the whole “faith” discussion in this thread, something just now occurred to me. According to the bible, Satan actually KNEW God was real. Spoke with him face-to-face daily, more than likely. Therefore, it stands to reason that Satan had no need for “faith in God”, right? Yet, even with KNOWING God exists, Satan STILL did not want to be a part of God’s “Perfect Plan”. Things that make you go, “Hmmmmm…”
Knowing god exists, like you mentioned above obviously doesn’t remove “free will” … if god made itself known, (which until now, it hasn’t) the idea of faith wouldn’t be required…
Bible version of faith… “The assured expectation of things hoped for…”
Con man - let me assure you, what you are expecting is everything you’ve been hoping for…
I think, mind you David will answer himself… that just because you benefited from “faith” doesn’t mean others do or have.
There is no “guarantee” of favour nor is faith a path to what is true.
The first can of worms had a warning label on it before Adam & Eve opened it
"The woman saw how beautiful the tree was and how good its fruit would be to eat,
and she thought (i.e. hoped or had faith) how wonderful it would be to become wise.
So she took some of the fruit and ate it.
Then she gave some to her husband, and he also ate it. "
Genesis 3:6
David Killens, please beware of those who thought, hope and/or faith are based on their own ideas, feeling(s) and what they think is right and not on God’s word. Case in point, Genesis 3:6 above
Sorrentino didnt capitalise the word, what he did was title case, meaning that the first letter of the word faith is/was capitalized. This he does to to make a distinction as being biblical faith in comparison to whatever else faith there is
"So faith comes from what is heard,
and what is heard comes through the message about Christ. "
Romans 10:17
If what is proposed, presented, offered, brandished et cetera to you, has no bearing to what you’ve heard come through by the word of Christ, then pronto reject, jettison, decline, the trojan gift, refuse the " sounds too good to be true attractive looking proposition " et cetera
It is God’s word written by men under the inspiration of God (i.e. 2 Timothy 3:16-17)
"Now without faith it is impossible to please God,
for the one who draws near to Him must believe that He exists
and rewards those who seek Him. "
Hebrews 11:6
Since you too daily transact in faith, are you trying to say you aren’t a loving person, hmm?
If you like, use god, instead of God, till the cows came home, it doesnt change the fact, what God is nor does it change the truth, who God is
**You shouldn’t have left out VERSE 15 which says taught from infancy (indoctrination - no different then Islamic children or Hutterite kids on colony). BUT anyway… the rest reads:
“All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness, so that the servant of God may be thoroughly equipped for every good work.“
Does the Old Testament get included with ALL Scripture??? If not, then it’s not all scripture is it?
… Heaven vs. People Online? Well, at least I know PEOPLE actually exist. What’s your point?
