“Uhhh… Ladies and gentlemen, this is the captain speaking… Uhhh… I have turned on the Fasten Seatbelt sign, and… uhhh… ask that you return to your seats… uhhh… as we will be experiencing some… uhh… turbulence for the remainder of our flight. And… uhh… with any luck, we won’t… uhhh… start another universal expansion. So… uhhh… just sit back, relax, and we’ll be touching down soon. And… uhh… as always, thank you for flying with us. Uhhh… Always happy to have you aboard.”
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I spent a few paragraphs making a response to realize most of what I was stating was a personal attack. I deleted that. Please learn about this stuff.
You have the resources to educate yourself, please do it. Because you definitely do not know this stuff.
Ratty ratty ratty; why do you insist on coming in here with your inane assumptions and fallactious assertions? Do you just enjoy being trashed time and time again. If you want to have hypothetical philosophical or cosmological discussions, why not go to hypothetical cosmological or hypothetical sites. Surely you would be more well recieved there.
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This is a good, easy to understand breakdown of cosmological evolution.
Ratty - exactly how would your hypothetical turbulence
EXACTLY be “tested”??? 
Approximately 40 years ago I bought this book.
One review:
The author finds a way to make complex physical systems very approachable and understandable to the non physics student. It’s an old book so it doesn’t cover a lot of newer discoveries but it will open your mind to subjects like star birth and death and black holes without any complex math involved. A great read for anyone interested in the cosmos. I highly recommend this book.
@rat_spit This I suggest. It is cheap and easily found.
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Surprise, Expansion happens after the Big Bang…
The theory of cosmic inflation proposes a period of extremely rapid exponential expansion of the universe during its first few moments (starting at 10−36 seconds after the Big Bang singularity, to be exact).
Simply put, the universe developed from a tiny speck (hypothetically containing the entirety of space) into something much, much bigger. Cosmic inflation explains how this occurred uniformly in spite of the rapidness of the process.
The theory of cosmic inflation has also been accused of being too flexible, meaning that it can pave the way for so many outcomes that there is no way to disprove it… or to prove it (another criticism aims at the fact that cosmic inflation can’t be evaluated using the scientific method).
As Ethan Siegel says, “Inflation has literally met every threshold that science demands, with clever new tests becoming possible with improved observations and instrumentation. Whenever the data has been capable of being collected, inflation’s predictions have been verified.”
Beyond the big bang: Cosmic inflation and the birth of the universe.
OCT 2021
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LMAO
Cough**Cough Anyway…
Sure, ok.
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Do you believe in evolution?
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How do you feel about atheists? Honestly. My gay Christian friend doesn’t mind those that are nice to him, but I don’t think my gay atheist friend could care less about religion.
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Do you go to science or try to “pray away” medical problems?
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So a giant explosion which came from nothing created everything, life popped up from a soup of chemicals, and then added information to itself going from a single cell to all the life on earth today? In my experience, explosions don’t create; they destroy. Everything just exploded and then BANG! here we are!? Honestly what makes more sense: that someone created the universe from nothing or no one created the universe from nothing?
Evolution has been around for hundreds of years and there’s still not a shred of real evidence for it. I believe in change in species, but those changes in species don’t create a whole new king of organism.
The entire theory of macro-evolution relies on random mutations to “add” information. The problem is Mutations don’t add new information; they alter information. Mutations are essentially spelling errors in DNA which either duplicate information, replace information with other already existing information, or take away information the same way someone makes spelling errors in a book. While mutations can change information, they don’t add it. A book full of spelling errors doesn’t have new information; it will almost always make the book worse, not better.
The fossil record has failed to come up with reliable transitional forms which would exist if evolution were true; yet the fossils claimed to be intermediate forms are simply other types of animals or flat out faked.
The second law of thermodynamics says that all processes involving energy conversions decay over time. Since literally everything that happens is an energy conversion, everything gets worse over time. That’s a completely observable law of science, and it goes completely against the idea that all living organisms improve over time.
So unless you can prove the big bang or evolution would come anywhere close to creating everything present today, I say it makes much more logical sense for there to have been a higher power involved.
They would have grown up to be just as evil as everyone else who, as I have already said, were extremely evil.
For one, this was in response to the question about the flood; the Bible says the people before the flood did nothing but evil which is why God sent the flood; I’m not saying people in general do only evil.
When you say Christianity degrades people because it says all people are sinners, you are correct in one sense and wrong in another. Do you know how many people struggle with drug and drinking addictions and wonder why they can’t escape them? War and rape are all over our world. Most people lie everyday as well. My point is that Christianity points out the obvious: humanity is corrupt. Look through a history book. The majority of what you’ll find in there is the history of people killing each other in war after war. I’m not saying that there isn’t a lot of good in the world. I do my best to bring as much good to the world as I can, but that’s not an excuse to ignore the evil in the world as well.
So Christianity points out what’s wrong with people, but it doesn’t leave it there; it actually encourages us to do something to make it better. Christianity is the opposite of degrading; it gives people hope that they are forgiven, that they have a purpose, and they are loved. Atheism says people are just moist robots who have no ultimate purpose; there’s a reason so many people commit suicide. People are taught they are just animals with no purpose so why should they have to stay alive?
I personally know many people who where lost in dark places of addiction, abuse, and or rough families, but have found hope and JOY in Jesus.
Ahhhhh there’s your problem right there. Going to heaven has nothing to do with being good enough and doing the right things to get there. If you spend your life trying to be good enough to get to heaven I totally understand why you wouldn’t want to believe in God. You go to heaven simply by having a relationship with Jesus. Trying to be “good enough” has nothing to do with it, in fact, that’s probably what made you an atheist.
Andy asked me a question about an act that God performed in the Bible, so in that case I have the right to answer with the Bible.
Atheists mistake love for hate. Hell isn’t God punishing people for not worshiping him. Hell is literally God just leaving you alone since that’s what people choose. If God really loves people, but they don’t love him back no matter how many cards he sends, what’s the most loving thing he can do? Leave them alone. So if you choose to reject God, he honors that choice and doesn’t force you to be with him. The reason hell is a bad place is because of the absence of God.
You seem to think that because something is in the Bible, God immediately condones it; this is false. The Bible is a story. We see over and over again in the Old Testament people promising to follow God and then failing and doing terrible things. the purpose of that evil being in the Bible is to show how people are rebelling against God to follow their own ways, and they need a savior.
When reading the Bible you have to remember that the Bible is written for us, not to us
And many of the times God does kill people it is for a good reason such as in Joshua when he orders the Israelites to go and destroy all these nations that were practicing child sacrifice and other terrible acts
The Bible doesn’t say it’s okay to kill non believers, but God has the right to carry out justice. The fact is, God has the right to punish people when it’s just.
You’re mad because of some of the evil that’s in the Bible such as the murder of children, but you’re also mad when God punishes those evil people. God never tells people to commit those terrible acts; he punishes them when they do. Neither is wrong on God’s part.
So I can dismiss the big bang, evolution, and every other naturalistic “explanation” for the origin of the universe and life. Atheists believe somehow the universe came from nothing, life formed from a pile of chemicals, and single cells evolved into all the complex life we have today. There’s no real evidence for any of this. Feel free to try and prove me wrong with evidence
Book twenty of Josephus’ Antiquities:
the brother of Jesus, who was called Christ, whose name was James
Now this here says this Jesus was called Christ. Do you realize the name “Christian” comes from the word “Christ”? It’s obvious then that he is referring to Jesus Christ.
It actually does prove something because it fits exactly with what the Bible tells us. The Bible says a wise man named Jesus and called Christ has a brother named James was crucified during the reign of Tiberius Caesar at the hands of Pontius pilot. We have a historical document that mentions a man named Jesus, who was called, Christ, who had a brother named James and was crucified during the reign of Tiberius Caesar at the hands of Pontius Pilot. Any real, unbiased historian would come to the conclusion that this is talking about the Jesus of the Bible.
The Bible Says Jesus Was Real. What Other Proof Exists? | HISTORY.
I happen to trust History.com more than y’all sorry.
We can clearly see Jesus existed by his effects. There were thousands of Christians before the New Testament was written. Jesus was the most influential person in history. No fake story or scheme would EVER have had such an affect. It’s ridiculous and amusing to think that the most influential and talked about person in history never existed. Even today with the help of the internet and media, no one could possibly create a fake story and have so many people believe it and die for it.
Atheist and New Testament critic Bart Erhman says…
This (Jesus’ existence) is not even an issue for scholars of antiquity… The reason for thinking Jesus existed is because he is abundantly attested in early sources… If you want to go where the evidence goes, I think that atheists have done themselves a disservice by jumping on the bandwagon of mythicism, because frankly, it makes you look foolish to the outside world. If that’s what you’re going to believe, you just look foolish.
- A little bit of basic logic and philosophy confirms that a God must exist.
Premises:
- Nothing comes from nothing (obviously)
- Something exists (obviously)
Conclusion: Something has always existed
Premises:
- the universe and time had a beginning (Even atheists agree with the expansion of the universe and the mathematical impossibility of infinity, the universe and time must have had a beginning.)
- the law of causality (Basically the basis for all science that we do) states that everything with any sort of beginning must have a cause
Conclusion: The universe must have come into existence at some specific point by a cause outside of itself.
It doesn’t make sense for the cause of the universe and time to be in the universe and time, so the cause for the universe must be outside of our universe and time itself.
We can also conclude that the cause of the universe was personal and intelligent. If everything suddenly sprung from nothing at one specific point, it means there must have been a choice. An impersonal force wouldn’t just decide to create the whole universe. So if the cause of the universe had to make a choice to create the universe, the cause must also be intelligent.
Basic logic and philosophy states the cause of the universe must be
- outside of our universe
- outside of time
- personal
- intelligent
- powerful (to create the whole universe)
force.
That sounds a lot like God.
- A moral-law implies a moral law-giver
How can you say there are no moral absolutes? Is it wrong to torture babies? Is it wrong to lie to someones face to decieve them? Is it wrong to cheat on your wife? If we are just rearranged piles on pond scum then everything is just a matter of opinion thus you can’t say anything is wrong.
Was Hitler wrong to do what he did? If there’s not such thing as moral absolutes then you can’t say Hitler was wrong because it’s his opinion. If Hitler said “Hey I don’t think it’s wrong to murder millions of Jews so I can do it” would the allies have let him go on with it? Nope, because there is an absolute position that says he is wrong.
If a child told their parents they thought it was okay to lie thus it’s okay for them to do it, would they allow that? Nope, because the parents know that lying is wrong.
That moral-law inside of everyone illistrates that there must be a standerd higher than us by which we know what is right and wrong. Something can’t be wrong unless something is right, but something can be right without something being wrong. You can have cancer with the body, but you can’t have the body without the cancer. Thus if there is right and wrong, there must be a standard of right to compare to. If God doesn’t exist then you can’t say murder, rape, and torture are wrong because you have nothing to compare it to thus it’s just a matter of opinion.
This doesn’t mean people can’t choose to ignore the moral-law and do evil, but it still exists.
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DNA is organized information inside of every living cell. DNA is literally a book of chemicals, and it is easily the most complex book in existence. You have about 67 billion miles of DNA in all your cells combined. Did you know DNA can be read more ways than just forward? Our body reads DNA forwards and backwards and it even contains encrypted messages that the cell decrypts. Those are three of the six different ways DNA is read.
If you were walking along a beach and you came across “watch out for sharks” written in the sand, would you conclude that the wind must have blown the sand into that position? Not unless you REALLY wanted to go swimming. You know there’s an intelligence behind the message because of the information you see before you. Same with DNA. It’s the instructions for how our body functions, and instructions don’t write themselves. -
The Cambrian explosion shows life popping up all at once in the exact way you would expect it to if it were spontaneously created.
According to NPS.gov precambrian rock (the lowest layer of rock) contains only simple life such as algae and microorganisms.
According to nationalgeographic.com Cambrian (the rock layer right after precambrian) rock saw an incredible diversity of life emerge, including many major animal groups alive today. Among them were the vertebrates to which animals with backbones such as humans belong.
The fossil record doesn’t show a chain of life slowly getting more complicated; it shows most of the major animal groups alive today including complex vertebrates in one of the lowest layers of rock all appearing at the same time.
Richard Dawkins comments on this saying: “It’s as though they, the cambrian fossils, were just planted there without any evolutionary history.”
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Complex systems must have come together all at once for them to ever function.
Darwin himself says “If it could be demonstrated that any complex organ existed, which could not possibly have been formed by numerous, successive, slight modifications, my theory would absolutely break down.”
In a single cell there are a whole bunch of organelles which all contribute to the cell functioning. The mitocondrion to produce energy, the reticulum to process proteins, Golgi bodies which are bascially a way station for proteins being transported elsewhere, the lysosome which is a garbage disposal unit, vacuoles to hold stuff, tons of ribosomes to make proteins, and the nucleus to contain the DNA. Also there’s RNA which copies DNA and takes the information to the ribosomes and does a whole bunch of other important jobs. There’s another extremely complex system that transports substances to and from these different organelles. All of these components of the cell are necessary to life, and they must all be present at the sae tie to work together
Bacteria also have a little outboard motor to help them move around called a flagellum. Scientists call this the most effcient motor in the universe, spinning at 10,000 rpm very impressive especially considering it’s size. For this to work you need the filament, the hook for the filament to spin on, and the mini motor. A whole bunch of different proteins are needed as well (This is still extremely simplifying the complexities of the flagellum). All of these must be present at the same time for the flagellum to function. If one of those components are missing the flagellum doesn’t work at half copacity, 5,000 rpms, the whole thing would fall apart and not work at all thus natural selection could not have created a machine this complex.
Right now your heart, liver, kidneys, pancreas, lungs, and trillions of cells are working to keep you body functioning. Your body produces 2 million new red blood cells every second. Your circulatory, respiratory, reproductive, nervous systems etc are all necessary to keeping you alive functioning properly.
Why is it that when you cut yourself, your body instantly forms a blood clot to keep you from bleeding to death and the skin eventually heals itself too? The process by which blood clots is a complicated ten step process in which clusters of proteins must be inserted all at once to form the clot where it needs to be. If this whole process wasn’t instantly there in the first organisms they would have bled to death from even the tiniest cut which rules out a darwinian natural selection explanation because natural selection can’t occur if the organisms are all dead.
My point is that there is no possible way these things evolved over time or popped up from randomness. All these complex parts are working together to make life possible. Natural selection won’t work because if even one of these components of say the cell weren’t there, the cell would die thus no natural selection would occur.
Life must have come together all at once for it to possibly work; the only way that could possibly happen is through creation.
- Our earth is perfectly positioned in every way.
The earth is the perfect distance from the sun so that it’s not too hot or too cold but just right for liquid water to exist.
The earth’s stable rotation evenly distributes the heat of the sun, without it, one side of the earth would be too cold for life and the other side to hot for life.
We have a protective magnetic field that protects the earth from harmful rays from the sun.
We have an atmosphere with 21% oxygen; the perfect amount for life it happens. The atmosphere also contains carbon dioxide which plants breath and use to make oxygen fir us to breathe. CO2 also acts as a warm blanket for the earth keeping earth just the right temperature. Nitrogen is another gas in our atmosphere that, it happens, is essential to life as well.
What really shows design for me though is the fact that not only is the earth the perfect place for life, but it also in the perfect position to observe the surrounding universe. I believe God would want us to learn about the universe he created so he made that possible. The earths position in the Milky Way is actually perfectly positioned so that we can see outside of it into space. The fact that Earth’s atmosphere is perfect for us to breath, perfect for fire to exist so we can advance in technology, and it’s transparent (Which it definately could not be) which enables us to observe the surrounding universe seems to me too great of a coincidence to atribute to mere chance.
The fact that the same place we find observers is the best overall place for observation, that’s suprising and strongly indicates design.
- Uniformity in nature
Did you know that trees and mushrooms depend on each other for survival? They each offer nutrients to the other which the other needs and in return get nutrients that they need to survive as well. My question is how did one survive before the other evolved? And how did they learn or figure out to exchange nutrients with each other if they would have died before they figured it out? Mutualistic relationships like this are all over nature with different species relying on each other for something they need.
This shows once again how nature must have all been created at once to work at all thus creation is the best explanation.
The argument “Science will figure all this out one day” is flawed in several ways.
First, science is figuring something out; it’s figuring out that there must be design in the universe. The more we discover about the universe and how amazing it is, the more impossible a naturalistic explanation is getting.
Second, the things I’m pointing out are scientific facts that point directly toward an intelligent designer. I’m not saying we only lack a scientific explanation for them, I’m saying the scientific evidence is showing clear design. You need to have A LOT of faith to believe that all the complexity of the cell, the organized information of DNA, and our ability to think and reason didn’t have an intelligent designer.
God said, “Let there be light” and this is true because light exists 
(Genesis 1:3)
Has anyone ever coughed up evidence for gravity? We can’t see it and we don’t fully understand how it works, but we know it exists by its effects. I can’t prove 100% beyond a shadow of a doubt that God exists the same way that if you’re walking along the beach and you see a sand castle, you can’t prove 100% beyond a shadow of a doubt that someone made it. You know someone made the castle because you can see the effects of that persons work. It’s the same with God. I can’t see him, but I know he exists because of what he has created. So what evidence are you looking for? Just because we can’t know something with 100% certainty doesn’t mean it’s not the most reasonable option. We may not be able to see God, but it’s obvious he exists because we can see the effects of his amazing work.
Now to answer a few common questions
Where did God come from?
Atheists always ask this sunday school question. I already kinda answered this, but I wanted to specifically point it out. The simple fact is he has always existed outside of time and that makes perfect sense. Why? As I already said, the fact that nothing comes from nothing and there is something shows that there must have always been something. How do I know it’s God? As I already said the universe and time must have had a beginning and a thus a cause. If time and the universe truly had a cause, that cause couldn’t possibly be inside the universe and time. Thus a creator God outside of our universe and time makes perfect sense.
How do I know it’s the Christian God?
Simply put: Jesus Christ. Of all the religions on earth, Christianity is the only one with any real historical basis. Jesus has had way more of an effect than any other religious characters in history, and Christianity is different from every other religion in what it teaches. Every other religion teaches you must DO something to earn something, but Christianity teaches that all we have to do is believe something to receive something. So I think the evidence shows Christianity above other religions.
Atheists laugh at Christians for having faith in a God, but Atheism takes much more faith than most people realize.
- Atheists have faith that the law of causality was violated: no one created and fine tuned the universe out of nothing
- Atheists have faith that intelligence and consciouness came from matter
- Atheists believe objective evil and moral-obligations don’t exist thus human rights don’t exist and rape and murder isn’t wrong
- Atheists have faith that genetic programs billions of letters long didn’t have a programmer and somehow came from mere matter
- Atheists have faith that the evolution occured despite the exact opposite of an evolutionary chain shown in the fossil record
- Atheists have faith that complex systems which could not possilby have slowly evolved somehow organized themselves despite no evidence
- Atheists have faith that we just happen to be in the perfect place for life to exist AND the perfect place for observation of the outer universe to take place by complete chance
- Atheists have faith that uniformity in nature is the result of random natural processes despite no evidence
- Atheists have faith that science will explain all of this eventually despite the reality that the further science goes, the more complexity we discover; the more need for a designer
That’s why I don’t have enough faith to be an atheist.
People are deluded into thinking Atheism is the logical thing to believe when really, Atheism is entirely based on faith.
If you want to hear more evidence for God from someone smarter than me, read The Case for a creator by Lee Stroble
Lee was an atheist who went on a quest to disprove Christianity and the process made him a Chrisitian as he discovered the evidence for Christianity.
I believe anyone who is actually seeking truth will find God; Albert Einstein agrees with me.
“Every one who is seriously involved in the pursuit of science becomes convinced that a spirit is manifest in the laws of the Universe-a spirit vastly superior to that of man, and one in the face of which we with our modest powers must feel humble.”
― Albert Einstein
(Albert Einstein wasn’t a Christian, but being the great scienctist he was he knew there was a God)
So my questions to you guys would be:
- When you became an atheist, were you running toward Athesim or away from Christianity (or whatever religion you were raised in)?
- If Christianity were true, would you become a Christian?
Describe your relationship with Jesus, please?
Do you talk to him? Does he talk to you?
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Have you ever heard of Buddhism? Are you aware of how many thousands of pages of teachings are ascribed to the Buddha?
What do you think about earning your way into heaven, by being good and practicing wisdom?
Did not Jesus encourage us to make every effort to enter the Kingdom of Heaven through the narrow gate?
What happens to those who existed before Christ?
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I do not believe I have witnessed any atheist in here or any reputable scientist state that this universe came from “nothing”. We know what happened just before the “big bang”. We do not know what preceded that event. Additionally, it was not an “explosion” in the commonly understood vernacular, it was a very rapid expansion from a singularity.
The only people who popularize the belief that this universe came out of “nothing” in a “big bang” are theists.
That is a gross but apt description. We know the conditions of the early Earth. Scientists have recreated such conditions, and complex amino acids formed, the building blocks of life. Those were the results of simple chemistry. Magic not required.
Billions of years. This known universe evolved from that singularity, this planet Earth evolved, and life has evolved, all over a period of BILLIONS of years. Not hundreds.
When you alter the information, you can subtract from it, or add to it.
That is a very poor analogy. When mutations occur, they have one of three effects on the result. It can be harmful, that creature either dies or fails to reproduce. The mutation may not have any effect, and lastly, the mutation may offer an improvement allowing the creature to prosper and thrive.
From: Second law of thermodynamics | New Scientist
The second law of thermodynamics means hot things always cool unless you do something to stop them. It expresses a fundamental and simple truth about the universe: that disorder, characterised as a quantity known as entropy, always increases.
That is it in a nutshell, it has absolutely nothing to do with evolution or the hypothesis that things get “worse”.
The “big bang” and evolution have observations, uncounted confirming experiments, and other disciplines (genetics confirm evolution) to back it up. What proof do you have in this “higher power”?
If you wish to convince me, then please provide proof of this “higher power”.
Proof, please, not just a very failed argument based on incorrect knowledge.
Please prove this “higher power”.
We do not know what “caused” this universe. But physics and the expected interaction between matter and energy brought us to this point in time and our wonderful planet.
If two incompatible chemicals come into contact with each other, there may be an explosion, fire, or hazardous gases. That is a result of their chemistry, not choice.
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In my relationship with Jesus I recognize that life is meaningless without God, and I have fallen very far short from God’s standard so I need a savior. I talk to Jesus through prayer, and I don’t expect a voice from heaven to come down into my room, but I know Jesus is always with me, and I can see what he wants me to do. That’s why I’m here.
Jesus was not saying we’re supposed to work our way to heaven though. He was saying our goal should be to enter heaven through him.
What Jesus did still applies to people who lived before his death. If people recognized there was a God and trusted in him, I believe Jesus’ payment appplies to them as well. God would give everyone a chance to enter heaven.
For one, you say “We know” like you were there and know exaclty how it happened.
Secondly, the whole idea of the big bang still begs the question: Where did the big bang come from? If the big bang didn’t come from nothing, then it must have always have come from something that was always there, but we know the universe itself had a beginning so it must have come from something outside of the universe. That’s my point.
Even if the mutation is beneficial that’s still not an addition of information. It’s just a random change that happened to be advantageous in one certain situation. The real issue with mutations is you are NEVER going to get organized information from them. Mutations are MISTAKES in the genetic code. You don’t get new information for whole new systems by complete chance mutations.
Hot things always cooling is an example. Thermodynamics deals with energy and energy conversions, and idk if you realize but everything is made of energy and every process is an energy conversion. So thermodynamics is the science of anything performing any action, thus any process involving living organisms will always decay is some way. That’s what entropy means.
Evolutionists always say this, but rarely ever give examples. Please give an example of an experiment or observation that confirms the hypothesis of all living organisms having a common ancestor.
As I said, this thing called irreducible complexity shows how gradual evolution simply can’t create all the complexity in organism. Creatures function using many different parts all performing a specific job. Life can’t gradually evolve to the complexity it is now. All that complexity that already exists is necessary to life.
Please read the entire message I just sent.
Where did the laws of physics come from? Who gave those laws? Where did the matter and energy come from? How did complete chance produce a perfectly positioned planet and life? Have fun waiting for science to figure that out; that’s called faith.
The Miller-Urey experiment for one was an incorrect representation of the early earths atmosphere as hydrogen can’t possibly be in our atmosphere. But really the results don’t mean anything. A bunch of amino acids are nowhere near creating life. Amino acids must be in the perfect order to make a protein. The mathematical odds of the simplest protein in creation forming from a mixture of the proper amino acids in the exact order that they NEED to be is 1 in 10 to the 152 power.
I’m an atheist, and found the same problem with it. That’s like saying God just popped the universe out of nothing (or was it his butthole?). I believe the universe has always been here.
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As I said though, there is an issue with that. For one mathematically speaking infinity is impossible. The basic idea of it is this: If there was an infinite amount of days before today, today would have never gotten here. Infinity essentially implies that time doesn’t exist, which it does. We know the universe is expanding which implies that it must have started somewhere. Even Steven Hawkings admits the universe must have had a beginning.
The difference between saying the big bang created the universe and God created the universe is if space and time had a beginning, the cause for that beginning couldn’t be already in the universe as it didn’t exist yet. Thus there must have been some force outside of the universe which created everything.
The fact of the matter is the existence of the universe is a miracle that science cannot fully explain. The only logical explanation is a God who created time and space from outside of it.
“Time is relative” - Albert Einstein.
Who created the concept of time? Human beings. I have yet to see any animal species do anything like that. Both my dogs and me have no sense of time. (Literally - I could feel like only 5 minutes have passed, when an hour has passed. This has happened on a multitude of occassions.) You tell me, who decides how long a second is?
But how do we know that? I’ve seen people claim it, but never explain how we supposedly know it. And where would the matter come from?
And Stephen Hawking has an IQ of 160. My friend and I have IQs above that (my friend is 176, and I’m around that), and we’ve almost made a source of energy that can go on forever (curse friction, decomposition, and erosion). Your point?
Or it could have always existed. In the Bible, God has no problem appearing and walking down roads when he wants to, so why has he suddenly stopped appearing?
Are you sure about that?
Since when?
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The idea of “nothing” has not been evidenced.
And yes, the “Big Bang” (lol, you should actually look up what this means) is evidenced. And there are pictures…
Before the expansion from the singularity, when time/space was formed naturally is anybody’s guess - BUT
Your guess that some super-intelligent-deity-daddy WHO didn’t need a creator (lol) IT JUST EXISTS because some bronze-age humans said so is simply childish and irrational.
I’ll stick to quantum physicists and cosmological scientists to eventually, perhaps figure it out and evidence it.
Well there you go! On earth, with fully formed matter, and chemicals reacting - yup it destroys.
Has nothing, not even the same conditions, as our universe’s beginning.
Nothing hasn’t been evidenced to even exist 
sigh.
The spacetime vacuum state is seething with particles constantly being created and destroyed, apparently “out of nothing”. But perhaps all this really tells us is that the quantum vacuum is (despite its name) a something rather than a nothing. quote (What existed before the Big Bang?)
Lol - wait until @Calilasseia reads this gem.
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Oh FFS, you were not there to witness the life of jesus. I could use the same inane argument against your belief in her. How it happened? Observations and the application of math and science have determined that this universe is expanding. Working backward in time from that established fact, the data and math indicates that 13+ billion years ago it was a small object.
How do I know? We have EVIDENCE.
That is a textbook example of the “god of the gaps fallacy”. I do not know, therefore god did it. That is the primitive and restrictive mindset that stall progress.
Evolution is a self-correcting process, it is not random in the results. I mentioned this when I described how some mutations are beneficial, neutral, or harmful.
Moving the goalposts. You described the second law of thermodynamics and I responded. I must assume you were not pleased with this because now you are describing another condition, entropy.
Moving the goalposts.
https://askabiologist.asu.edu/peppered-moths-game/natural-selection.html
They just are.
Begging the question, another fallacy.
Currently we do not know. But rational people are not going to invent some wild story about a sky buddy to explain it.
In a ways, it was chance. This planet just happened to be in the right place at the right time for conditions favorable for life. Earth is not the center of everything, this galaxy is not the center of everything. It is now established that almost every sun has planet,s and each galaxy has over a 100 billion stars. And that this universe has over a 100 billion galaxies. We were the lucky ones.
From a response by Dwayne https://www.quora.com/Does-the-fact-that-the-probability-of-single-protein-forming-by-chance-is-astronomically-minuscule-give-more-reasons-to-hold-to-a-structuralist-form-of-evolution
"For one thing, that particular protein didn’t come together purely by chance. It evolved through a long selection process. Selection can change the odds of something happening from virtually impossible to inevitable.
Second, that particular protein didn’t have to come together at all for life to exist on Earth. There are many different protein arrangements that can serve the same function. The ones we have are just some of the ones that happen to work.
And third, they are calculating the odds after the fact. To illustrate, there are 8.06 x 1067 different possible arrangements of 52 cards. So, if you take a deck of 52 cards and shuffle them up well, you will wind up with an arrangement of cards that is virtually impossible to get by chance. And yet, you just got it! And the same thing will happen every time you shuffle the deck. Are you violating the laws of probability? No. The cards are going to wind up in some order; the ones you get are as likely as any others. It only looks unlikely when you calculate the odds of a particular arrangement after you got it. But no particular arrangement was required beforehand.
You could try to argue that it had to end up with this arrangement, because that is in fact how it came out. But using that logic, everything is impossible, because the odds of anything winding up as it does is astronomically low."
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The only thing that was rational was “fully”. I have stated that we do not know. But science and scientists are diligently working at revealing the working and origin of this universe.
Are you aware that before the creation of this universe, there was no time?
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I am already preparing the bandages.
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