Andy, I suspect that in a formal debate with a theist, you’d get bested in about two minutes.
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Straw man, go back read your original claim, given your churlish arrogant grandstanding and name calling, I’m disinclined to humour this shameless goal post shifting.
Are you trying to set a record for straw man fallacies?
at the Equator, the solstices are barely marked at all
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But but but, every ancient civilization worshiped their own sun-god during the winter solstice he said, what iz yuh deaf or sumin? 
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Thank’s Sheldon. Now I don’t have to call him out on that. Shitty dishonest interlocutor. WHERE IN THE FUCK DO YOU THINK YOU ARE ANDY? WAKE THE FUCK UP! You are either being completely dishonest or you are amazingly awful at trolling. FD
Hunting deer, here in Canada, is TOO EASY.
This is a picture of what I saw a few days ago when I looked through the glass patio door in my walk-out basement, And I live in a big city. —>
Yup, that’s true What’s your point?
I have NO idea what point you were trying to articulate.
Clearly my point is that one or two examples, don’t come close to evidencing your claim, about “every ancient civilization”. I don’t know how to dumb that down any more for you sorry, and I simply don’t believe you don’t know the difference.
No it isn’t, it’s ludicrous hyperbole, Cyber just offered an example that directly contradicts your claim ffs, and you responded by asking her what her point was ffs? Her point clearly is that your hyperbolic claim was laughably wrong.
I suspect he’d be bested by any school debating team, and leave never understanding why.
Dear oh fucking dear, is English not your first language? The point is you made yet another ludicrous absolute claim, you do see the word all in your post there? You seem to have a very poor grasp of language. Ancient ancestors on the equator would have been very unlikely to celebrate the winter solstice, and for pretty obvious reasons, yet you risibly claimed it was a “well known fact” that “all of our ancient ancestors were well aware of the winter solstice because it announced the end of winter”.
So you were laughably wrong see.
I make mincemeat out of theists in my sleep. People who worship a self-proclaimed genocidal murderer are worse than evil, they are a threat to the fabric of a moral society. History amply attests to the harm that religion inflicts on humanity and societies.
We atheists are all that stands in the way of theocracies continuing to be established and annihilating human rights on this planet.
He doesn’t have any evidence. He just makes inane assertions that work, when he is on sites arguing with theists. He is not used to people actually calling him out on his bullshit.
Clearly the examples he gave have been woefully insufficient and "demonstrated’ with facts, video, original source material, to be blatantly “WRONG.”
THIS IS THE NAIL IN THE COFFIN
" How many cultures Worshipped the sun?
“Although sun worship has been used frequently as a term for “pagan” religion, it is, in fact, relatively rare. Though almost every culture uses solar motifs, only a relatively few cultures (Egyptian, Indo-European, and Meso-American) developed solar religions.”
" Though almost every culture uses solar motifs, only a relatively few cultures (Egyptian, Indo-European, and Meso-American) developed solar religions."
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In your dreams more like.
See, you don’t even understand the idiocy of making absolute claims like that, it seems you really have no idea how idiotic such hyperbole is.
Again this strikes me as ludicrous hyperbole, as if there are no theists who recognise the value of secular democracies that separate religion and state and protect the individual right to believe and worship as they see fit, or not at all, which is risible. almost as risible as the idea that only atheists fear theocracies, you bludgeon away at us with your ludicrous and idiotic hyperbole, and all the while proclaiming how stupid we all are for not seeing how clever you think your ideas are.
All I can do is point and laugh, and I am and have been an atheist my entire adult life. Seriously you need to learn a basic grasp of language first and foremost, to understand the difference between a cogent reasoned argument, and ludicrous idiotic hyperbole.
Andy the absolutist.
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Such hogwash you present. I must congratulate you for finding it! Nowhere else does any (authoritative source) make this fallacious claim—> “Although sun worship has been used frequently as a term for ‘pagan’ religion, it is, in fact, relatively rare.” Granted, few people TODAY worship the sun as a god…but my point was/is that sun-worship, during the winter solstice, was part of every major ancient civilization. That is an easily verifiable fact, which you stubbornly fail to acknowledge. For example: During the Winter Solstice these ancient god were all “born” on the winter solstice: Horus, Osiris, and Attis. Mithra, Heracles, Dionysus, Tammuz, Adonis.
Right, Encyclopedia Britanica is hogwash. Thank you for your utter and complete nonsense. Is it not obvious at this point Andy is just trolling?
You’ve watched one too many episodes of Zeitgist.
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Cognostic, not once, have you ever attempted to argue a point.
All you do is hurl lame insults, that reveal either your inadequacy or your inability to refute your “opponent’s” point of view. You’re free to accuse me of doing the same, here, with my previous assertion, but then you would be missing the point—> Your only recourse is to reply to everyone’s comments by sneering at them. Your childish modus operandi betrays you by revealing your glaring inadequacy as a little bully.
Ah contraire mon frere… @Cognostic is a more than adequate “little bully”.
However, as much as I would like to stay out of your “conversation”, I cannot abide your absurd generalization of “ancient civilizations”.
While it might be shown that *many * early cultures were aware of and depicted images of the movement of the sun in relation to the earth, conflating that with “sun gods” or “sun worship” is inaccurate. This is another example of ethnocentricity at work. Many people today seem unable to grasp the fact that earlier people who lived so much more in touch with the elements of nature, would have been aware of a number of things people today are not necessarily so inclined.
Across the state from me is a site named Cahokia. (~700-1400 CE) There is a “Woodhenge” structure (reconstructed) there which indeed indicates the solstices, as well as phases of the moon and movements of the Milky Way. They were not sun worshipers. The Creek Indians (some) of the southeastern US believe they are descended from the Cahokians. Their leader or “chief “ is called “ The Great Sun”. They do not worship the sun. I have a friend in Oklahoma who is the Great Sun of the Muskogee Creek nation there. They do not worship the sun.
It’s ok to acknowledge the awareness people had of celestial elements and the influence they had, but inaccurate to depict those awarenesses as a religion.
As hard as it might be for you, and others, to accept that ancient peoples could have recognized the significance of the “return of the sun” without turning it into a religion or making the sun a god, that is the truth of it.
Edit: George Harrison
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Then why, Andy, are you not using that same skill set here?
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@Whitefire13 already demonstrated it is not in fact true, and you accepted this, so one wonders just wtf you’re talking about?
Fuck me…this is pretty hilarious now.
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hunting time).