I picked it up just fine thank you, it just reads like a disjointed rant.
What are / is the key point(s) you are trying to convey?
What objective evidence or rational argument can you demonstrate or cite to support this?
What extremism? See what I mean, what on earth are you referring to, and why are you labelling it extremism? I’m guessing this kind of rhetoric is aimed at anyone who objects to the woo woo bombast you are posting here.
You see to love unevidenced rhetoric, as do most theists, but te posters here are predominantly atheists, and they will not accept arguments claims or beliefs presented without any objective evidence.
More unevidenced rhetoric. Sigh…
Pathetic ad hominem fallacy, well done champ, your posts are ticking all the troll boxes.
I shan’t even feign surprise that after tacking logic to your earlier disjointed rant, as nothing more than a soundbite, you have evaded answering my request you define logic.
There are a number of physical ‘laws’ or features of the universe that need to be within certain parameters for the whole to work in the way it does. These are called constants. Some religious apologists try to use them as a fine tuning proof of a creator but all that can really be said, at this stage, is that the universe would be different if they were different.
You seem to be a conspiracy theorist. Advocating the establishment of groups and secret meetings to plan the overthrow of ‘Them!’ The “powerful controlling factors in our world”.
If you don’t like “THIS”, feel free to leave. I’m sure the flat earthers, the moon landing was hoax and the Zionist lizard people rule the world groups will welcome you with open arms.
No problem. The trouble is, we meet so many that genuinely don’t know or who have a view twisted by religious apologists that it’s too easy to paint everyone with the same brush. I must learn not to presume people on here don’t know and stop jumping on them.
I’m sorry if my needing sleep offends you but here’s an idea. I’ll copy my previous post to you, which you failed to answer and you can have a go now that I’m awake.
You seem to be a conspiracy theorist. Advocating the establishment of groups and secret meetings to plan the overthrow of ‘Them!’ The “powerful controlling factors in our world”.
If you don’t like “THIS”, feel free to leave. I’m sure the flat earthers, the moon landing was hoax and the Zionist lizard people rule the world groups will welcome you with open arms.
If there was an omniscient, omnipotent god, that god would easily be able to irrefutably prove its existence or it wouldn’t be an omnipotent, omniscient god. The fact that we can all be deceived would not be a barrier to that god. The only thing we can be sure of is that no god ever has.
So, because you can’t prove anything entirely, what we do know about God is meaningless? I could very easily make a statement that makes the same thing true about proofs in this world. The mind is limited after all, and not knowing everything can’t count out everything’s significance about God or anything else because it all has to fall to the same standard of our tiny little brains.
There is no such thing as proof to a mind that cannot account for all possibilities; possibilities which, to a mind limited in any way, can only reasonably be infinite. The fact that we don’t know it all opens everything up, not close it down. and God is at the center of all of it.
Ohhh, and you were doing so well. The only thing I can assert, is that no deity has revealed its existence unequivocally to me, and that no one has demonstrated any objective evidence that a deity has revealed its existence to them.
Nope, not even close to that was said. Firstly proofs are mathematical arguments in formal logic, not for every day reasoning, or informal logic.
What you’ve said there is a common logical fallacy called argumentum ad ignorantiam.
Indeed, unfalsifiable claims are very easy to construct, and if we believe one, then that’s obvious bias, if we believe them all it is preposterous. So I remain agnostic, but withhold belief.
What objective evidence can you demonstrate for any deity?
It is axiomatic that a deity with literally limitless power and knowledge could make me unequivocally aware of its existence.
Well as I’ve said proof is a misnomer here, start with the best most compelling evidence you think you have.
It does neither, nit knowing is just that and nothing more, nothing can rationally be asserted from a position of ignorance, again this is an argumentum ad ignorantiam fallacy.
An unevidenced claim, which rationally can be dismissed in the same manner it is offered.
@Bryan Most of us understand that anyone breaking away from theism has a difficult time adjusting. It can be a slow and painful process. So just like you, I am learning from many in here.
The problem is that a god can not be proven to exist, neither can it be proven it does not exist. Who knows, maybe there is a nasty SOB god who just decided to create us just to tease us and play the dickhead.
For myself and other atheists, the bottom line is we do not know and we can never know. The presence or absence of a god should not be claimed as fact.
The default position is not to accept without proof or evidence. So I do not accept either position (whether a god exists). But I can place this god proposition into the same category of imaginary things until their existence is proven.
Thanks, David. Yes, it and has been a painful process, yet I feel freer now than at any other time in my life. Learning to think critically is a blast and I suspect will be an ongoing journey that will last me the rest of my life. These forums a great resource.
Its not about intelligence. Its about humbling yourself to the point where you can realize none of this could have happened without Him and asking for a relationship. Once you have a personal relationship with God, He proves His existence to you. If you’re not will to take it into consideration you will be blind for the rest of your life.