Yep, still get shit for it on some forums because religion demonizes Atheism. The whole “But Atheists are communists and have murdered more people than religion has” kinda thing.
China under Mao Tse Tung, 26.3 million Chinese. According the Walker Report, 63.7 million over the whole period of time of the Communist revolution in China. Solzhenitsyn says the Soviet Union put to death 66.7 million people. Kampuchea destroyed one third of their entire population of eight million Cambodians. The Chinese in medieval history, somewhere in the vicinity of 35 million and 40 million people. Ladies and gentlemen, make note that these deaths were the result of organizations or points of view or ideologies that had left God out of the equation. None of these involve religion. And all but the very last actually assert atheism.
This is not a case of theists or atheist being right or wrong intrinsically. To frame it this way ends any discussion in polarization, accusations and justifications. It completely dismisses the powerlessness inherent in both groups to successfully counter and prevent the actions of a tyrant leadership.
And Christians do that as well. The only Abrahamic religion that doesn’t in modern times is Judaism.
There’s no reason to “hate” Muslims more than Christians on this issue. Even assuming the goal is to “hate” anyone at all. I distrust and dislike assholes but I won’t let them live rent-free in my head by hating them – particularly for one part of their chosen identity / excuse / whatever. It’s a fool’s errand.
Your words not mine. I stated that I hated Islam and am openly against people practicing it. Now you’re just putting words in my mouth and splitting hairs. “Hate Muslims”, I can’t find a single post of me stating that openly that you’re trying to correct me on.
rabid dogs do not excuse violence, THEY ARE DIRECTLY VIOLENT. Which is why people put them in chains. Which is why when people are compared to rabid dogs, it’s always people who are DIRECTLY VIOLENT. Have you been directly attacked by the majority of islam believers?
Yeah sure i had a muslim coworker say to me out loud:
“And you know my Name is Allah when I strike you down with great vengeance!”
but is he the majority? if so, then why do even my neighbors see him as a bit of a weirdo instead of a violent threat?
Muslims can form groups big enough to be very violent, for sure. But a MAJORITY becoming directly violent? All the evidence you claim to support your argument doesn’t even point to a majority.
If you reply to this, it means you haven’t been attacked by the “rabid majority” of muslims. If you were, I’d see you on the news.
I don’t know if you realize this or not, but the entire topic is about whether or not you respect Islam. I said I don’t respect it, still don’t, and I don’t feel the need to justify that to you. There’s tons of evidence out there as of why it’s a violent religion. If you want to view me as an islamophobe, you go right ahead. I’ll take no offense to that. It’s just a word used by Islam to villainize people who call them out on their bs.
Oh boy, you said it.
Seems like a big contradiction to your first sentence, no?
I rest my case.
So it has to be a direct attack for me to have a problem?
lol, I’m sorry but your argument sucks.
You tell me. It seems to me he’s verbally supporting his Islamic buddies murdering people in the name of his god. You can support violence without being violent.
ISIS, Al-Qaeda, the Taliban, and Hezbollah comprise what the IEP’s Global Terrorism Index label as the “Big Four” of active and motivated Islamic terror organizations. Their forces are estimated to top out around 250,000 currently active.
Estimates put 80%-90% of deaths perpetrated by these groups as targeted against Muslims themselves.
Pew Research place the total number of active practicing Muslims at approximately 2.0 to 2.1 billion.
A position of respect or scorn of Islam is not required to determine that this translates to militant groups comprising approximately 0.007% to 0.012% of Islamic adherents.
15% of these Islamic attacks worldwide have been targeted against the United States since 1994. By contrast, 57% of terrorist attacks against the United States come from domestic terrorists.
My problem is with the religion and those who support it as said in my very first post starting this thread. Just like I don’t support Christianity, Hinduism, or any other religion. Sure, there are many people out there with religions that are not murder machines. Even if there were not groups of people making excuses behind their religion to murder people in their god’s name, I still wouldn’t practice that religion. I have said many times how I abhor Islam. That is also the same for Christianity and every other god religion out there.
you’re not an islamophobe. you’re just wrong. you’re making claims that are not supported by evidence like the muslims themselves
muslims claim that allah exists and those who will not submit will be punished by their allah. did they provide proof of their clams? nope, just faulty arguments and generalizations.
you claim that the majority of muslims are rabid dogs. did you provide proof of your clams? nope, just faulty arguments and generalizations.
rabid dogs are different from those who condone violence. because the “rabid dog” you are making a comparison to are directly violent. If they are NOT directly violent. They are NOT rabid dogs. have you seen a literal unchained rabid dog? most of the time, it will try to directly harm you.
but what makes you different from them if you disrespect them using baseless claims not rooted in concrete evidence? what it makes it different than saying “Allah doesn’t exist because Jesus Christ exists and he is Lord?”
disrespecting someone’s fantasy using another fantasy? is not really going to help people become better
doesn’t matter, you’re still using unsupported claims to shut down somebody else’s unsupported claim.
If you don’t like it, why respond with the very baseless things they spout? eye for an eye?
your claims don’t point to a majority of directly violent adherents. thus baseless
all religions are fantasies but not all fantasies are religions. fantasy, though mainly characterized by artistic fiction, can also be rooted in things NOT connected or based on reality and evidence. So you can be an atheist and you made claims that can be considered a fantasy
9/11 and the 20 year long war between the US and Muslim fighting groups are not baseless claims. Those are what I used. Those things actually happened.
Why? You wanting me to support Islam to spite Christianity? No thanks pal.
instead of responding with facts (concrete evidence) to a lie (allah/god exists and they will punish you), you respond with another lie (majority of muslims are directly violent)
9/11 and the 20-year-long war between the US and Muslim fighting groups are not baseless claims. Those are what I used. Those things actually happened.
Those things happened, but did they point out that a majority of muslims are directly violent? nope, those terrorists make up less than 1% and the supporters who condone the violence reach 10-25%.
depending on where you are, Majorities are typically required to be Over 50% of the population. A minimum (and probably maximum) of 1% directly violent and with a maximum of 25% condoning them? is that a majority?