That’s pretty funny, but seems about as plausible as sentient rocks…this has happened to me, where I quote text that is quoted by someone else, and the link in the top right of the post is not the person I’m responding to…
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He does that sometimes when he’s trying to quote the other guy. I believe his post was directed at Quim and not you.
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C’mon, Cyber… You should know by now that Cog is simply implementing his patented super-triple reverse psychology parasympathetic projection technique in an effort to lure Quim into the Troll Trap he designed this morning using silly putty, duck tape (QUACK!), kite string, and Lincoln Logs. OR… maybe Cog wasn’t wearing his glasses and hit the wrong key when responding to Quim. I figure it’s a fifty-fifty chance for either.
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Perhaps @Cognostic just stayed up too late again and wasn’t paying enough attention to what he was doing. I’ll probably have to institute a bedtime for him again with no drinks of water and no hiding under the covers with his iPhone.
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Since massive wars have occurred among theistic countries, why would you assume this?
No, why would you assume this?
There is no objective evidence we can survive our own deaths in any meaningful way, and right and wrong are entirely subjective ideas, so I’m not sure what these objective facts have to do with wars?
I aso note you have started a thread, but not revisited it, which may have a legitimate reason, or you may have been simply trolling.
Jesus fucking christ, grow the hell up!
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You know I can’t type with both feet in my mouth. I was specifically addressing @Quim. But, give a monkey a keyboard, and you never know what the fuck is going to happen. You would think that I would have the awareness to look at the fucking hurricane and the words CyberLN … BUT NOOOOOO! When I make an ass of myself - I FUCKING DO IT RIGHT!
It’s a galaxy you goof! No dessert for you tonight, young ape! And your bedtime is now 10 p.m.!
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Awwww FUCK! Monkey toes facing in. Shoulders slumped. Head drooping from a weight of the quivering lower lip. Half-eaten banana dangling from one hand with black bruised peels attesting to the fact that nothing has gone my way this day. The rumbling in my stomach tells me I should not have taken a bite, and I am fearful of taking a step less I step on some venomous creature, sent not to kill, but to simply maim and torture. Oh, woe is me… poor little monkey.
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I’ll help you out then.
That was where you first made the claim that atheists have no a basis for morality. Below is your second claim about morality I challenged.
I have asked in 5 separate posts;
1, What principle of logic are you claiming is violated by me as an atheist basing my morality on empathy and compassion for the suffering of others?
So far you have very dishonestly replied twice asking me to prove it is rational, even though I have stated twice I never made any such claim, so will you show some integrity here, or will you lie again, by either presenting that straw man, or by pretending you can’t find questions you need to answer?
- I asked you at least 5 times if you think murder is immoral?
Since I posted the 5 countries with the top murder rates per capita in the world, and the 5 countries with the highest rates of atheism, and not one of the second list appears in the first. So either you don’t think murder is immoral, or atheists are being at least as moral as theists by committing less murder per capita globally, or you’re a dishonest liar who made up some arrogant bs about atheists without even the pretence of evidence, and now haven’t the decency to address your claims, now that some objective evidence has been presented to refute them.
Hope this helps you out, and if you’re still struggling to find these question rest easy, as I will be posting them each and every time you post from now on unless you answer them.
I despise mendacity and hypocrisy in dabate, and when someone exhibits both, then accuses the atheists here of arrogance, it frankly boils my piss.
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I’ll be adding this one as well, since you seem keen to ignore it.
Well, murder is certainly immoral because we must not do to others what we don’t want for ourselves. We must respect this principle because sooner or later, no matter what we do or what we try, we will pay the price for our actions.
Atheists do not necessarily adhere to this idea because the possibility of going unpunished after committing such crimes is possible. So, there is a potential advantage in doing so and increasing your happiness at the expense of others.
Regarding fewer murders among atheist societies, as I mentioned before, when people are confronted with misery and suffering, they often have a strong need for religion. However, when people start experiencing high living standards, they no longer feel the same need for religion, so they tend to forget about it. This does not imply that religion is the cause of murdering or misery.
If belief in your god and it’s punishment of you after your death is all that is keeping you from murder, then by all means do not give up your beliefs in that/those god/s!
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Well thanks Quimbag for revealing your true nature.
Although unsurprising, your view is rather disturbing in it’s blatant self-serving sociopathic foundation.
You have herein demonstrated a complete and total lack of true empathy, respect, altruism, or even a modicum of humanity. If you truly believe the threat of future punishments is an acceptable motivation for moral behavior, then please continue believing this until you are capable of understanding the flaw in your “reasoning”.
You are truly a sick piece of shit if you believe this. A potential advantage and increasing happiness??? The fact that you can put these words together indicates the depth of your delusional and sociopathic thinking.
As usual you ended your psychopathic ramblings with yet another straw man.
Just a nickel’s worth of advice… for the sake of the well-being of those around you, please continue believing whatever it is which you find necessary to fucking behave yourself, you truly despicable excuse for a human being…
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… (on my knees… head bowed… hands clasped together under chin)… Hello?.. Quim’s god?.. Are you there?.. Uh, listen, if you can hear me, could you please do me and society a favor?.. So, uh, if it’s not too much to ask, could you please keep a special close eye on Quim? You know, maybe even shorten his leash a bit? I mean, some of us here are a little concerned, you know, about what he might do if he starts feeling like you aren’t there. So, uhhhh, yeah, if you could, please just give him some extra attention from time to time just so he knows you care. Oh, and make certain he knows how horribly he will be punished if he starts thinking about murdering and raping and stealing. That part is very important. Verrrrrrry important. Okay, so, uh, I guess that about covers it, uhhh… You know, thanks for listening and everything, I guess. Uh, amen?.. Akuna matatta?.. Saliva lake 'em?.. Uh, bye…"
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Uh, yeah…perhaps we should all just respond to him with “uh uh” “sure”, “that makes sense” and then pat him on the head a feed him cornbread…
(You know, just to be safe)
Edit (never tell a crazy person they are crazy)
I was expecting this answer. Obviously, the reason why I do not commit such an action is that I care about how others feel; maybe you can call it empathy. Being an atheist will not change that. However, the presence of a belief where there is punishment serves as a rational justification for this empathy. Not having any belief means that this empathy is just an arbitrary feeling. Remember also that religion is not only about punishment for bad actions, but we must “love” others too—not only avoid harming them but also actively desire good for them. So, a belief helps us provide a rational basis for an already existing empathy. Moreover, the reward/punishment logic is what helped old societies develop the values from which this empathy arises in the first place.
If you are an atheist and, for some reason, either educational or natural, you didn’t have empathy, then there is no logical reason not to do such an action.
Too late jackass. You cannot unring ring a bell.
You have already slipped the noose around your neck. The die is cast. Elvis has left the building…
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How is that not trolling?
Nice try…
Three days ago, I said the following…
Essentially i was saying that caring on what other feel (call it empathy), is what prevents us from doing harm, and in the case of atheists it must be accepted dogmatically, while religion offers a logical framework for this.
For the past few days, I have been pondering the logical reasons from an atheistic viewpoint for abstaining from engaging in immoral behavior. I expressed my belief that atheism cannot logically justify such abstention and must accept it dogmatically.
While this perspective is acceptable, it’s essential to acknowledge that morality, even for atheists, operates on a dogmatic level, similar to religion itself.