Oh yeah, I’m a long time member of the JREF.
@Nyarlathotep https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5466266/
I forgot how much y’all help me refine how I say something.
I claim no category even though I said a category.
I think homeopathy is dangerous quack science mostly.
Vaccines are a form of homeopathy.
By naturopathic, I meant natural. From the earth.
It makes sense to me that if nature has a role in making us sick, it can have a role in making us well also.
Since you were arguing for clove oil purchased online as an option for pain, I think we probably believe similarly on this subject. I guess I just introduced it poorly. Thank you for helping me clarify myself.
That seems to imply that other forms of treatment (like modern medications) isn’t natural or from the Earth; which seems false.
Huh? Everything is “natural”. Plastics. Nuclear waste. Oil. Guns. Parkinson’s. Viruses. Bacteria. Weeds.
I haven’t come across anything yet that isn’t 
Say what now?
Clove oil contains the active ingredient eugenol , which is a natural anesthetic . It helps numb and reduce pain. Eugenol also has natural anti-inflammatory properties.
So its efficacy is supported by empirical data.
Not sure what you mean by “from the earth”, but being natural doesn’t guarantee anything, and since most medications are man made, I’m not sure that being natural is any kind of recommendation. Objective empirical evidence is what determines if medicines and vaccines work effectively.
I think you should stop posting wildly inaccurate medical information on this forum during a pandemic. That is what Facebook is for, right?
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Naturopathic medicines that work are called “medicines.” Aspirin immediately comes to mind. The reason we call them something else is because that is what they are, something else.
Or Twitter, if you want to dabble in some trolling as well.
Yes Trump, I’m looking at you.
Really. That means that it can not possibly, which is demonstrably false.
The medicine practised registered doctors in my country is science based and works.
Naturopathy and homeopathy are not. Each is a pseudo science based and kills people they take such preparations for life threatening conditions instead of actual medicine.
About 3 years ago, a dear but dotty friend died from leukemia because the woo merchants on the internet has convinced him not to accept medical treatment. He finally went to see a doctor but it was too late .He died 8 days later.
I urge you to watch the video I posted, which is on a few post back.
Also seems you have not grasped the claims of homeopathy. Simply put, that water has memory. The initial prescientific concoction is diluted. The more it is diluted, goes the claim, the stronger it becomes. Homeopathic concoctions have been diluted to the point that at only a few molecules of the original concoction remain.
The Wikipedia article is pretty good. I urge you to read it. Sadly, because you take things on faith, I’m not confident that you will be swayed by science and empirical evidence.
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@Cognostic
I agree with you! Natural remedies that have the ability to heal or aid in healing or pain relief SHOULD just be called medicine. Haha! That was a great perspective! Thank you!
@Sheldon haha
I don’t know how to twitter or the other stuff. That is why I was having trouble spreading my friend’s story around.
I’m pretty old school. I like the smell of books and the weight in my hand.
I don’t have to debate about medicine. I don’t even know how we started debating about it in the first place.
I think I just suggested that boomer47 use clove powder for pain.
I think it’s great that he’s got a bunch of people that have suggestions to help him.
I don’t have to be the one with the answer that works.
NO NO NO NO NO NO… They "ARE’ called medicine. They HAVE been TESTED and APPROVED for human use in the prevention of various conditions, generally described on their labels and along with their descriptions come counter indications for their use as well as directions on how to use them most effectively in treatment. No such conditions exist for your WOO WOO bullshit.
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AND side-effects. A person can honestly weigh risk/reward and respond quickly if they happen to be one of the few with the negative (ie seek different medicine).
Woo-woo magical thinking “treatments” are cure-all’s don’t you know…but pray first…
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Yes, it’s hard to give up paper cuts, or water damage, or losing my page when I drop a book, or putting down to go find a dictionary, or ink leaching onto my hands, and off the page, or pages falling out, and getting lost, not to mention having book shelves cluttering up the house…
You falsely claimed vaccines were homeopathy, or the same as homeopathy.
Of course not, and no one is claiming otherwise, but they will objective to false claims, like the one comparing vaccines to the woo woo of homeopathy, in the current pandemic it’s even a dangerous claim.
Exactly, and it’s a lesson learned through bitter results, like the Thalidomide drug, which was used to treat nausea during pregnancy, before it had been properly tested.
No wonder no one is deaf, blind or sick in 2021! I always wondered? 
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And to think - we got to live in this wonderful electrical age 
No problem with that. People have been using cloves for toothache for centuries and it apparently works… I would happily try it if I didn’t have say a prescribed opioid painkiller available
You actually did a lot more than that by claiming that vaccinations are a form of homeopathy. That claim not supported by empirical evidence.
Vaccines are science based and are based on empirical evidence. Homeopathy is a pseudo science for which there is no supporting empirical evidence. It’s woo.