Is that why the species evolution remains a globally accepted scientific fact, and the scientific theory is still accepted as valid by the entire global scientific community?
What a truly cretinous lie that one is, even by the duplicity of creatards. Do you imagine a scientific theory of the size and scope of species evolution can be falsified without the scientific world being aware of it?
This hasn’t happened, not once. Despite your dishonest creationist bluster.
I think he covered faith with “blind assertions, duplicitous apologetic fabrications and pompously hubristic bluster,”.
Back at you… (your words to Cali)…
…your path to faith doesn’t address ANY of the scriptures I have presented - YOU have yet to address the simplest, most common one - the 10 Commandments - SO your stand is blind faith, without reason AND you arrogantly laugh (I’m assuming a maniacal laugh) at the fact we don’t join you in your delusion!
Yup 
good self-insight descriptor.
WOW 
good on you mate! You’ve really pegged yourself and it’s awesome that you’ve begun to see where you need to start investigating…
Ohhh 
assertions!!! The big guns 
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Learn from the life of Jesus Christ, creator-incarnate, the divine mind
Back to this divine mind - uh, this forgetful mind that changes easily … ARE YOU ever going to address the passages of scripture WHERE YOU CLAIM YOU GET KNOWLEDGE of this “mind”??? Namely, 10 commandments; failed promise/prophesy; changing its mind and fucking with his prphet who is doing everything it asks of said prophet AND then prophet is used as an example of “apostasy”…
I’m not giving you once again the post numbers. Why don’t you put some effort into YOUR book, eh?
Uh, creator is dragging his own “name” in the mud. READ the book about your creator, OR is it just “happy” when you cherry-pick 
qualities THAT make you feel good?
FULL scripture:
19 Nevertheless, God’s solid foundation stands firm (WORD deepity - what is the foundation? There is no meaning here) sealed with this inscription: “The Lord knows those who are his,” (Like the Israelites? Except this time they don’t need to cut off part of their genitalia? How did “the Lord” treat his own?) and, “Everyone who confesses the name of the Lord (the original unpronounceable name or the common Jesus name?) must turn away from wickedness.” (is this gods standard of what is “wicked”? hahahaha… is genocide wicked, or baby killing, or lying, or severe punishments for minor offences [god sure doesn’t set the example of “turning the other cheek]) 20 In a large house there are articles not only of gold and silver, but also of wood and clay; some are for special purposes and some for common use. (an analogy - my guess is it’s god’s followers that are for the “common use” of being shit on)
Hahahaha. You’ve set up your “own” god in your “own” head. You’ve broken the one law that is consistent in BOTH sets of 10 Commandments- not to have any other god/s
You have no “foundation”. YOU have failed to provide any “foundation”. YOU have failed to address the most basic of scripture. If you are used by your god to “help” people - it’s a total failure (just like your god).
That one word tells a lot. Sorrentino, the term “Darwinism” is not used within the scientific community because it was never adopted, and science has moved on a lot since he proposed his theory of evolution. It is called “evolution”.
When one uses the term “Darwinism”, it is a red flag that the poster is lost in the past and covered in a form of theism that blinds their eyes to this theory.
He proposed speciation, but at that time was unable to describe the mechanism. He admitted it in his book, “The Origin of Species” with “The laws governing inheritance are quite unknown.” Only when Mendel opened up the study of genetics did we come to a better understanding of the mechanism.
Ohhhh - me likey spending time in this “firm foundation” (serious voice) of knowledge getting to know god.
This written foundation, by man’s best guess, started (another topic, for another thread) with “Moses”.
He’s credited with writing Genesis, Exodus, Deuteronomy, Numbers and Leviticus (may not be in order, done by memory). This was about 600 BCE (being generous - you do the math).
Anyhoo, moving on to what Moses wrote about his god’s interaction with people before the “laws” and “lessons” - YOU must remember; those ancient people were not writing it down, they were not in constant communication with god, AND they were doing their best to make their way through the world as they knew it.
So working together, they found co-operating was a great advantage. They could make things, trade things, share, and communicate with each other in a more efficient manner. They set up a form of “leadership” (notice I’m not bringing up our evolved inheritance for hierarchy). AND as a group, humanity was accomplishing.
Genesis 11:1-9
Now god had already “started over” after he regretted “making man” (hahahahaha - couldn’t see how fucked up “his” creation would turn out??? So much for all-knowing!). BUT it sounds like these offspring of Noah aren’t off to a bad start. No mention of “wickedness”, but still, god is perturbed (poor emotional, “feel sorry for me” type - “Nothing I do works out like I WANT!” stomps foot)
SO… like I said…
“Now the whole world had one language and a common speech.2 As people moved eastward, they found a plain in Shinar and settled there. 3 They said to each other, “Come, let’s make bricks and bake them thoroughly.” They used brick instead of stone, (cool - sounds like they were inventing) and tar for mortar. 4 Then they said, “Come, let us build ourselves a city, with a tower that reaches to the heavens, (hey…do YOU think god thought they could build something that could reach where he lives? I mean, he’s smart right - I think he’d “know”) so that we may make a name for ourselves (uh oh - I have a feeling god doesn’t want man taking credit for man’s accomplishments, I mean after all, aren’t people trained to thank “god” for the food prepared for them by human hands?); otherwise we will be scattered over the face of the whole earth.”
So humanity at this time found an advantage of working together and co-operating - plus the added bonus of not limiting the gene-pool (oh right, fuck I FORGOT - up to this point incest is best)… “5 But the Lord came down to see the city and the tower the people were building. (uh, I guess god is not all-seeing either…doesn’t “know” shit until he investigates it for himself) 6 The Lord said, “If as one people speaking the same language they have begun to do this, then nothing they plan to do will be impossible for them. (Goddamnit!!! He forgot they can communicate and if they’re together - fuck! - they are “competition” for the most powerful! AND nothing will be impossible for them …shit, god sounds very threatened by this discovery of what humanity has been up to) 7 Come, let us go down and confuse their language so they will not understand each other.” (is it me or wasn’t god already “down”? OR did he go back “up” to get reinforcements? AND then they can come back down and fuck around with the humans…) 8 So the Lord scattered them from there over all the earth, and they stopped building the city. 9 That is why it was called Babel—because there the Lord confused the language of the whole world. From there the Lord scattered them over the face of the whole earth.
Hahahahaha- still didn’t work out well for your god!!! I’m typing and you’re reading with scientific technology AND we’ve learnt to speak each other’s languages and we’ve traced our evolutionary line AND cosmology to the “beginning” of Plank time. We are in space, gathering information AND our “buildings” ARE much “higher in the sky” then our ancient ancestors. We are trading internationally and have a quality of life that those ancient goat herders couldn’t even imagine!
POOR god… he’s fucked… he was threatened by a handful of brick and tar builders - no wonder he stays hidden now!
You apparently have no idea the scope and breadth of the universe. 99.999 (repeat for a while) percent of everything is just cold empty space, maybe a few hydrogen atoms operating at near absolute zero. About as close to “nothing” as you can get.
And you want to say all of the universe is intelligent design? Intelligent design of a whole lot of overwhelmingly nothing?
And we also need to keep in mind that over 99.99999% of this known universe is extremely hostile to life.
What a rambling pronouncement of utter and complete nonsense.
If intelligence is found in human design (When humans design things)
Equally in other creation? WTF? What creation? Why do you get to insert Creation here? Do you mean the humans that created other things as well?
Then the human who did the creating, the creator, possesses intelligence and coordinated thought. The ape who uses a stick to get ants out of an ant hole also has intelligence and coordinated thought. Crows that figure out puzzles also have intelligent and well coordinated thought. WTF are you on about?
Human design?
Talk about a begging the question fallacy, seriously how can you tack words like rational and logical to your rhetoric, and remain unabashed?
The creator?
Your use of begging the question fallacies appears to be relentless, even after they have been explained to you, that’s dishonest.
Let’s try this, I will number each time you made an unevidenced assumption in your argument, about the very things you are arguing for.
If intelligence is found in (human design)1, equally in other (creation)2, then (the creator) 3 (possesses intelligence) 4 and (coordinated thought) 5.
So five assumptions about the deity you’re arguing for, in that argument, and all while you assault our senses with claims your superstitious beliefs are rational, irony overload alert…
“Both theory and critiques are thoroughly analysed, with back and forths and in the end, only the more logical stand.”
And it was not Behe’s claim that was left standing. His claims to a supernatural designer placed his theistic hopes outside the scope of scientific enquiry and confirmation. In all his claims, books, stochastic research he has been repeatedly rebuffed by a steady barrage of scientific and philosophical evidence.
Behe insists that while agreeing with evolution generally, he just can’t accept that natural selection and genetic mutation can account for his favourite personal hypothesis, “irreducible complexity”. He invokes instead his “intelligent designer” who deliberately, mysteriously and invisibly supplies the required new mutations that allow the “purposeful arrangement of parts” and all without any direct evidence or relevant research findings.
Nor has Behe provided any example of any “irreducibly complex” organ that has failed, through the degradation of a mutation to the component part of the organism involved. He hasnt even satisfied the requirements for a hypthesis here as it is not based on any observation on which he could base it.
During the Kitzmiller vs Dover trial Behe grugdgingly admitted no recognised scientific research, study or experiment were or had ever been conducted and the reason is blindingly obvious. His “intelligent designer” and “grand mutator” is a euphemism for a supernatural entity. Science does not do supernatural.
Through distortion, ommission and selective determination, Behe has navigated a predetermined course around the requirements of real scientific investigation to arrive at, and not surprisingly, the altar of his chosen ‘God’. His attempt to deny such a ploy is an obvious thinly draped deception.
“You ought to have learnt that by now from the theory vs theory lesson.”
There is no “theory to theory lesson” in any of Behe’s claims.
"Intelligent design" is not a scientific theory.
Its “creatiionism in a second-hand lab coat”, nothing more. Its another ‘god of the gaps’.
“There is so much overhwhelming complex complexity in this complex construct of complexity that, well gee, it can only said that something “beyond the natural” has occured…but no I dont mean my god…but what else could it be?”
For all the evidence submitted I could suggest “aliens” with equal authority.
“After all back and forths, Behe has successfully challenged a pillar of Darwinism, random mutation by demonstrating its impracticability. FYI, that upholds ID and deals a huge blow to Darwinism.”
Sorry Sorrentino, there is no “theory vs theory” here. For nearly thirty years, ever since Behe published his contention that natural selection and genetic mutation could not account for new modifications and that they could only lead to the degradation of genetic material, his claims have been met with a consistent and continuing flow of countering evidence from researchers and experimenters in laboratories and in the field.
During Kitzmiller vs Dover, Behe confessed he had, for quite some time, no longer participated in any actual experimental research other than some computer simulations, preferring to concentrate more on philosophical issues. And theological issues too, one imagines.
Behe at the very least has provided confirmation for the veracity of science and the theory of evolution by supplying yet another failed attempt to discredit both. The result was nothing even close to a “huge blow”.
Behe is a modern counterpart of Alfred Russell Wallace who could not accept natural selection could have produced the human brain which could only have been due to a “higher power” which he had the honesty of identifying as his ‘God’. Ironically Wallace remains a footnote in history after being declared by theists of the time to be the true “father of Darwinism” for eschewing the scientific method and accommodating their creator god.
Sorrentino, when you attack Darwinism, technically, you are attacking the pious Wallace. There is no modern Darwinism, there is only the theory of evolution.
Behe’s claims are so tenuous they have failed scientific and even legal scrutiny. You just need to suck it up and accept Judge John Jones summation in the Kitzmiller vs. Dover: "[W]e have addressed the seminal question of whether ID [Intelligent Design]is science. We have concluded that it is not, and moreover that ID cannot uncouple itself from its creationist, and thus religious, antecedents.” (Kitzmiller v. Dover Area School District 2005)
I don’t recall evolution being falsified? Come to that the entire scientific world seems to have missed this paradigm shifting event.
Nothing on any news networks either, even the Catholic Herald and Al Jazeera seem to have missed this.
No Nobel prize awarded to Behe for “successfully” falsifying any part of species evolution.
Medical research globally still seems under the impression this is another ludicrous creationist lie, and all their research is still entirely predicated on the scientific fact of species evolution and shared ancestry.
You’re talking through your arse again, though it’s hilarious you think such an obvious lie will achieve anything beyond maintaining your lack of credibility on here.
I just had to quote this again, of all the errant nonsense creatards produce, this has to be the funniest howler of them all, and he produced it in his second post in this thread, dear oh dear…
Another priceless howler, how can anyone that ignorant be so arrogant about it?
And sorrentino genuinely doesn’t seem to know that a scientific theory has a different definition to the word theory…as well as believing scientific laws are are not tentative and open to revision.
Not only that Sheldon - but this poster feels (don’t they all) NO RESPONSIBILITY to back their own claims.
Time and time again, I have posted from “their perfect book” (of their choice) AND arrogantly, IT IS IGNORED!
Hahahaha … sorry @Sorrentino - you spend your time in “evolution” (great, maybe you’ll learn something) … I am going to keep posting great bible stories and lessons from your book, you know, to “learn” god’s perfect ways - hahahahaha
Today with science it is much easier to pay attention to the precise design of this universe that requires a creator.
Well - @111
I would highly suggest you read through this thread before you pull out the SAME claim your predecessors have.
It’ll save us re-typing the same stuff. After which, feel free to post something original.
Welcome to the forum 111.
When and where and by whom has “science” ever been said to suggest the universe has, or even needed a designer? Can you supply references?
I recall Laplace telling Napoleon he had no need for a god in his mathematical work on the motions of the planets.
The entire scientific world seems unaware of this, but then that is probably because you are simply making up an erroneous unevidenced claim, theists seem to enjoy doing that.
I see the opposite. It is much easier to see how incredibly flawed and erroneous the various god claims are, as science peels back the unknown and we learn more about the universe.
Take Genesis: 6 days to create the entire universe? Before there even was a “day.” And do not go down the the word “day” is subjective route. If there ever was a word that is easily translated and well understood by everyone, the word “day” would be at the top of the list.
The 6 days genesis thing is still there because it was impossible to edit out w/o it being blatantly obvious to all involved it is being edited out because it is patently ridiculous notion that shows another obvious sign that genesis was written by humans with no input from some sort of greater being, and instead aligns exactly with the thoughts, technology etc of the people of the time that wrote it.