Why Are Theist So Sure Of Their God?

Oh fuck me… People are not this fucking supid are they? This is one of the oldest fucking cons in the con man’s book of cons. Clearly Shown… FUCK! It would not be a good con if it was not “CLEARLY SHOWN.” How fucking gullible are you!

Shhhiiiiittttt… I was this close :pinched_fingers:t2: to going all Buddhist- that flying miracle…man hard to beat!

That is preposterous. As if everything that could be true IS true. That is False and there is not evidence for that claim. I also don’t need you to tell me what speed to watch a video on and so I get why you would say that to me but for me I watched it on 2 speed to verify what type of change occurred.

No, the video did not show a controlled and verifiable experiment. There is no independent verification. You have no idea what the condition was before the video was recorded and after. You see only what the persons making the video wanted you to see. You have no way of verifying anything.

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There is only one truth to any event. There maybe different interpretations, but only one truth.

Then I must conclude there are no pre and post X-rays that would convince me?

What a surprise. (sarcasm)

And you do not need to tell me what speed to view the video. My issue is that in slow motion more detail and events can be captured for analysis, while a sped up video glosses over the details. Many research institutes film events in slow motion so they can view what really happened.

I offer my proof of this assertion in this video, where a cat is jumping down from a tree. At regular speed one misses the details, while in slow motion one can discern a lot more on what is going on.

Just 1/minute?

I think that’s being optimistic.

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I stand corrected. It is part of their dogma.

Thank you kindly. please forgive my ridiculously extended absence and my very late reply.

@Russoguru Please never feel you need to apologize for that. All I see is a name on a computer monitor. But I fully comprehend that on the other end is a human being living a life, with work, family, interests, obligations and activities.

But welcome back, it is nice to see you again.

Thank you kindly David.

I’m not sure how much this adds to the discussion, but given how much it aligns with my own personal experiences with being a former Jehovah’s Witness, I think one realistic(albeit cynical) answer to why Theists are so sure of God may simply be this… confirmation bias.

“Look at that baby’s smile”, “Look at the whales”, “look at our finely tuned solar system! There MUST have been a designer.”. These are things I read about for years in the JW book "How did life get here: By evolution or by creation?(Conveniently leaving out of course that the scientific theory of how we got here is NOT evolution, but Biogenesis. It’s funny because you can’t get beyond the title of that book without their ignorance of evolution being on display front and center) but there’s also this… another reason people just can’t stand to live without God or maybe even just a desire for the existence of God is this: a desire for something more, and or hope(even if it’s a false hope… isn’t that sad?)

Theists don’t want to believe in rationalism or the natural world because I think they are trapped in this mindset(most of the time since birth) believing that they will go to heaven, there will be a paradise Earth… etc etc. To live a life where these things cannot realistically exist is just cancerous to them on a psychological level. This is why breaking people free of the shackles of religion is not easy. I fear that they have to want to see the light(irony?) of rationalism.(Forgive me if just a lot of this is just rhetorical)

Take what I’m saying with a grain of salt though, because I say all this based on only my personal experiences and admittedly little else. But when I see what questions people raise to Atheists like Viced Rhino, Sir Sic or Aron Ra on Youtube… I got the impression you’re seeing here.

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Let’s see.

Her hip could have been placed a specific way. She made no reaction to it “growing,” so it’s possible that she already knew what was going to happen, and that it was set up. Trust me, children get amazed really easily.

I may have already said this, and if it sounds like something Aron Ra would have said… there’s a good reason for that. People want to believe, and unfortunately many times that belief makes people vulnerable to the curse of faith(which I agree with Aron Ra is auto deceptive, meaning that you deceive yourself via faith), which in turn causes you to believe irrational nonsense for no good reason.

People don’t realize that all the alleged predictions, prognostications and so forth within the Bible can come to pass sooner or later due to human intervention and never due to the actions of an invisible, anthropomorphic magical man in the sky. This rather obvious flaw in their logic again, makes them vulnerable to faith(not just belief) in the supernatural.

Whereas most people can distinguish fantasy from reality, people will want to continue believing in God, an Afterlife, heaven or what have you simply on the basis that it gives them hope… sadly it is a false hope.

Dealing with that reality is more than most people can take. it takes a lot of strength to be able to detach yourself from faith, even when all the completely rational evidence is staring you right in the face. For those who have made themselves vulnerable to faith, people will simply refuse to believe because it’s not what they want to believe, even if every single word of it is true, unlike the Bible.

Now I admit, I’m just basing this all off of things I’ve seen and heard, and my own personal experiences. However, I feel like this is a very unfortunate truth. Religion is nothing more than a tool that is used to control people, which is always useful to those in power.

Faith is so insidious because it can get to us in so many very personal ways, the most profound way being through family. My mom and dad still believe in Jehovah, and I fear they always will. People of faith will say there’s nothing wrong with that. Really? My dad regularly donates to the Watchtower society, and my parents can’t seem to understand that nothing of infinite quantity has value, including life. If all of a sudden you have everlasting life in a perfect world, all of a sudden life has no value anymore. Religion has irreparably damaged my life, my psyche, my family, and for that, it is something that I hope someday fades away into the ashes of oblivion.

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Theists aren’t interested in learning, they’re interested in confirming their beliefs as they haven’t the faintest clue of what evidence is. That’s the guy’s problem whom you’re quoting. His argument is most likely going to be aimed at avoiding the burden of proof for his deity. He’ll go through hell or high water to avoid it because he can’t deliver physical, demonstrative, empirical, or objective evidence.

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You’re right. I shall ignore him now. Unless he comes up with something else dumb. Then I can debunk it for other people to see, at least.