Jesus predicted: [Matthew 24:34]
Truly I tell you, this generation will not pass away until all these things have happened.
errmmm that was nearly 2000 years ago and…guess what that generation are all “passed”. So I guess this jesus bloke got it wrong…
Well there is a claim that you won’t live to see come true.
which one? I think Bastet would be in agreement.
then why the fuck go on about it you muppet?
Nobody asked you. You came here with your incoherent rambling post.
We do not actually know that to be true.
Oh dear. Bored now
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It bodes badly that you’ve made such a glaring contradiction in your first few sentences. There cannot be less evidence than “no evidence,” that’s axiomatic.
Now you’re making assumptions about the character of something you claim there is no evidence for? Do you know what a begging the question fallacy is? So by definition that’s irrational, as it contains a known logical fallacy. Ironically this means your unevidenced assertion that it’s true, is demonstrably wrong.
You already stated there is no evidence?
Well done of course, that’s what atheism means. However I’ll skip your hypothetical fantasies about evidence since you already stated there is none.
Sigh…
Sigh…and if everything has a cause the that would have to include your deity, or you’re using a special pleading fallacy, so so again it’s an illogical assertion. Learn the basic principles of informal logic please.
Nope, you can make assumptions if you wish, I don’t make unevidenced assumptions.
It’s not a fact, even cutting edge physics can only speculate about a non material and non temporal condition prior to the big bang, and nothing they hypothesized uses unevidenced deities using inexplicable magic, why would it.
It’s nothing more than unevidenced assumption based on logical fallacies.
The big bang is a scientific model that is supported by objective evidence. If you’re planning to use an argumentum ad ignorantiam fallacy to create a god of the gaps polemic, at least find a real gap in our knowledge. It won’t matter of course, as this is by definition an irrational argument.
Nope, science has explained nothing prior to Planck time, you are woefully ill informed here sorry.
The Planck time is the time it would take a photon travelling at the speed of light to across a distance equal to the Planck length. This is the 'quantum of time ', the smallest measurement of time that has any meaning, and is equal to 10-43 seconds. No smaller division of time has any meaning.
So any claims to knowledge or “facts” prior to the big bang cannot extend beyond Planck time. Try again.
Oh Jesus wept…
How many times are you going to contradict yourself here?
Perhaps you should learn to read, and consult a dictionary. As you’re embarrassing yourself with your risible generic assertions about atheists.
I skipped the rest of that paragraph, and most of the next, as despite 3 readings it remained meaningless indecipherable gibberish.
Oh for fucks sake, will you please look up atheism in a fucking dictionary. You’re embarrassing and idiotic misrepresentations are beyond tedious.
Why come to an atheist forum to debate with atheists, when you don’t even know what the fucking word means?
I skipped the rest of that paragraph as well, as again it was meaningless gibberish.
The next lengthy paragraph was just a string of unevidenced assumptions about a deity, Hitchens’s razor applies…
Quod grātīs asseritur, grātīs negātur…
Very unlikely as you have already used multiple known common logical fallacies here, so your arguments are irrational by definition.
Dear oh fucking dear…
Then you have no evidence, and can’t accurately or objectively define any deity, and in addition your plagiarized first cause arguments are a cliche of the fallacious and trite nonsense we’ve seen espoused countless times before, by theists like you, wholly ignorant of the most basic principles of informal logic.
This was a woefully ill informed diatribe, and we’ve seen a few on here.
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I’d have given the author a half a point if they at least knew what Atheism meant, and would add a half a point if they’d understood what logic, and fact means.
Everything in that post after the first accurate declaration, is extremely obtuse.
Why are theists so painfully cryptic?
Verily and yay I say unto you, that as has been seen, and will be seen, for all men knoweth it to be true, and it shall therefore come to pass, and let no.man denyeth it, lest god be angered…
It’s like a competition to say as little as possible, be painfully vague, but use as many words as you can.
FYI if you post another long sermon just to preach at us, I’ll flag the post. This is a debate forum, not a church revival tent.
You see the word natural before disasters right? Only your religious ravings imply this is another word you don’t fully understand.
Probabilities? I hope you understand you are talking numbers. What is the probability, in numbers, that a god exists, and where did you derive those numbers?
@GodisReal Please refrain from proselytizing.
As a supplemental suggestion, when one places many topics in one long post, it almost inevitably leads to confusion as one poster is discussing one topic, and another poster another.
He can’t even demonstrate any deity is possible, let alone the probability of an extant christian deity.
He is woefully ill informed sadly, and seems to be here only to preach at us. I don’t see anything of any tangible value being posted by him anytime soon. I could as easily read the bible myself, as have this clown keep quoting it at me, as if its claims are somehow evidence for those claims.
He seems to relentlessly using argument for assertion fallacies, and argument from authority fallacies, and of course several others that have been explained to him, but which in typical theistic hubris he is intent to ignore. While dishonestly claiming those arguments are rational of course.
Well, to be more accurate - our planet, earth, responds to various natural changes and interactions. Earthquakes, volcanoes, tsunami, hurricanes, tornadoes, lightening storms, floods, etc MAY not be considered a “disaster” if humans are not living/experiencing it.
An “incoming” disaster 
like an asteroid 
… earth has this daily.
Maybe - maybe not. I once saw a tornado 
form but didn’t touch ground. Helped the folks in Northern Alberta when a wildfire (started by lightening strikes) consumed a good portion of the town. Funny thing is - the community has rebuilt and humans helped humans through the initial loss of homes/possessions.
Hahahaha. Here’s a prophetic statement:
“I will let your breathing be a witness until you can no longer draw breath.” This event will land on your “doorstep”.
WOW 
unbelievable “prediction” of things that are continually ongoing within tribal societies and earth (natural events). Hahahaha … I’m awed by the specifics of these “prophetic insights” 
My imaginary friend will save me in the likelihood (maybe; maybe not) of a nuclear war (a device invented by humans, effects studied by humans, red button pushed by humans). Should this happen on a worldwide scale - 
there’s not much you can actually “do” about it but die.
I’m fine with death 
sooooo I don’t need to hope in an imaginary mythical entity.
I’m well aware of the “nuclear” age and cold-war era.
…conspiraturd to back your imaginary “belief” systems.
So it is still “man-made global warming” with a twist (under man’s control BUT done for nefarious purposes)
INSTEAD of an unforeseen consequence of the “Industrial Age” and other contributing earth natural “cycles” and perhaps some solar contributing factors?
Well @GodisReal doesn’t seem to understand what natural means, a natural disaster by definition occurs naturally, and needs no deity or any supernatural woo woo to explain it.
Well. Maybe that’s what he’s here for. Doesn’t it say in the Bible for Christians to go out and convert disciples?
His argument from the get go has been in the form of a sermon: “God is real and you’re wrong. Start praying to the All Mighty! or burn in Hell, bitches!”
Are you suggesting that such things demonstrate the existence of God? As far as I’m aware there are rational explanations for such things. That’s why they’re called natural disaster If anything ,they demonstrate the non existence of an Abrahamic god of infinite attributes of mercy and compassion.
Hold the phone there buckeroo. If you’re going to dabble in fortunetelling, perhaps make a specific prediction. Along the lines of on (specific date) there will be a cyclone (specific city) which will kill (specific number) injure (specific numbers) and make homeless (roughly accurate numbers)
Now I don’t believe in fortune telling, no matter the source. Two reasons (1) knowing the future removes free will (2) So far I have never once in my life seen evidence demonstrating fore knowledge of an event.
Perhaps the most common example claimed by christians is that jesus met prophecy for the messiah. Given the context in which that claim was made, I’m forced to conclude that was [at the time] a bare faced lie. Christians perpetuate the lie because they don’t know any better. Simply looking at Jewish prophecy shows why Jesus could not possibly be the messiah.
Just two examples. The messiah is to be a warrior king in the Davidic tradition. He most certainly will not be divine.
…what are those cookies 
you pass out? Have a couple yourself!
There is also the other explanation:
The so-called prophesies in question were well known by the jewish community at that time. Independent of whether there actually was a religious leader of some sort to give rise to the Jesus stories or not, once they were being established, retrofitting the Jesus stories to somehow fit those prophesies would be quite easy. One can even argue that it was natural to do so, to give invented Jesus myths legitimacy.
I think that’s what happen. You call it retrofitting, I call it lying.
Why does your divine god tell so many porkies in the Bible? Why can’t Christians today perform the miracles of Christ? Where are the resurrections, the miracles, the restoration of sight and hearing, the empty cancer and C19 wards and the proof against ingested poison? It was all specifically promised by Jesus himself, in writing, to be possible with the least amount of faith. Either your god is nonexistant, or is a liar, or set the spiritual bar too high, or some people are just kidding themselves.
Good question. From memory I think Jesus is said to have given his disciples all kinds of powers . Or such is claimed. A difficult task, what with him probably being pure myth and all.
To a tangent : In Jewish tradition it’s not uncommon for prophets to perform miracles. EG Moses. And of course Abraham spoke with an angel.
Attributing miracles to Jesus is another way of legitimising him as a prophet and as a real person .
Would be fascinated to ask Christians about Jewish prophecy for the Messiah. Him not to be divine would be a good start. However, the biggie is explaining why he did not return to usher in a world wide era of peace for all of human kind.
Above all, the sect called Christianity today began as a millenarian movement.
Jesus himself is reported as saying:
Matthew 16:28 " Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom. (KJV)
Jesus’ followers believed his return was imminent. When he didn’t arrive, the early church changed his expected return to some time in the indeterminate future and quietly dropped the second coming as a major teaching.
Today, it’s the lesser, literalist sects who keep ranting about the Second Coming and ‘the rapture.’ Of course they need to keep coming up with new prophesies on a regular basis… Probably because they’re full of shit.
. Interesting to note that the doctrine of the rapture is a relatively recent invention and does not exist within traditional christianity .
I have a kind of half memory that it fits in with Calvinist predestination and the number of 144,000 saved. [from all of humanity]
White might have better idea.
Off the top oh my head I’d say many people have a basic education, science has increased our understanding of the natural world exponentially, and smart phones are ubiquitous.
Hard for superstition to compete with that, not impossible mind.
Our particular sect from the Calvinists/Millerite type movement (think bowel 
) interpreted much of Revelation as literal and direct prophecy fulfillment in regard to us… BUT when it came to the 144,000 there was a strange mixture of literal and symbolic interpretation.
The number was literal. The tribes listed (12,000 from each of the 12 tribes - symbolic); them being virgins (symbolic of spiritual purity); ruling with Jesus over the earth 
literal. Gathered throughout history once Jesus died. They were the only ones to partake of the bread&wine annually. The only ones with a heavenly “calling”. As a “great crowd” (those of us to live through Armageddon) our “salvation” was dependent on “listening and obeying” Christ’s brothers here on earth.