But one can still maintain that opinion or belief that drove that action.
For example, I am opposed to animal cruelty. If I witness someone beating a dog, I will intervene. If later on, I witness a similar episode, I will once again intervene.
You said you didnāt care what crazy things people believed, its axiomatic that beliefs can and do drive actions and behaviours.
No one suggested everyone acts on every belief, thatās a straw man.
Main Kampf was a book written by Hitler, outlining his political and ideological beliefs. Given the results I can think of no better example of the folly of your claim to ānot fuss about what people believe.ā
I tried to read this thread but itās really just a vomitous splattering of rampant ass-clownery, which a bunch of diligent people are trying desperately to mop up, despite the regular spewing of mental health word-salad, covered in pity-party dressing and topped with extra sharp double-talk cheddar and refusal to answer croutons.
@Italianish Please either answer questions honestly and with clarity or go back to church and pray to your god for help with un-fucking yourself.
The biggest things wrong with the bible are the lack of any humour and positive aspects of dogs who are referred to as curs and mongrels (I think SomeOne is jealous of manās best friend, the anagram is obvious)ā¦and no mention of cockatoos.
That its books were invented by semi literate men. (no women as far as I know) Those men and others went on to pretend that god did it. Surely acts of stupendous chutzpah, ignorance and stupidity. 
Well, I am a never-believerā¦so everytime I ever read the Bible, I have always read it from an outsiderās perspective.
Personally, I find it a fascinating book, itās a great bit of mythology. It fascinating because of its terseness and brevity (its actually quite short, compared to the other great mythologies of the world), and (though contradictions abound) rather self-contained (for a comparison, Hinduism and Norse mythology have reams of textsā¦and they branch out and move in different directions).
The history of where it comes from is also interesting. Especially all the variants and excluded books (apocrypha). I find reading the bible with the Deutro-canonicals (the apocrypha that is included by some sects, like Catholics, Eastern Orthodox, Ethiopian Orthodox, etcā¦like Maccabees, Judith, TObias, 1 Enoch, etc.) really expands the story.
Whatās wrong with the Bible? Well, I mean gee, what ISNāT wrong with it? When looked at as bronze-aged fairy-tales, its compelling. When looked at as a record of reality, its propagandistic, chauvinistic for the culture that wrote it, and barbaric. When taken at its word (i.e. that a deity wrote it, and it is āinerrantā) its absurd!
Like others here have said: 1.) SCIENTIFIC CLAIMS: ridiculous claims (Noahās flood, talking animals, people walking on water, etc.); 2.) SPIRITUAL CLAIMS: even its spiritual claims are absurd (if there were a GOd, why would it need blood-sacrifice to be appeased?..even a pitiful human like me is capable of forgiving without recieving a sacrifice, so wouldnāt an almighty deity?); 3.) SOCIETAL CLAIMS: it denigrates women, condones slavery, genocide, rape, conquest, and capital punishment; and 4.) PSYCHOLOGICAL AND EPISTIMOLOGICAL CLAIMS: it says (in ROmans 1) that we all āknowā there is a god, but choose to reject him??? Merely having faith, and not doing āworksā (i.e. actually being good) makes you goodā¦huh?
I mean, I have relatives that are into WIcca and Buddhism, and WOW! those religions (while still false) aināt got half the troubles of Christianity.
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Yes I agree with you. To clarify , I should have also mentioned that my original statement was specific to Italianishās biblical beliefs. On that point I do not fuss about religious beliefs common people have.
I should have clarified that my original statement that I do not fuss over what people believe was in context to the OPās belief or confusion related to the bible. I do not fuss over peoplesā religious beliefs. Generally they remain as beliefs without any disastrous effects unless of course politicians take hold of it, harness itās manipulative powers and create chaos. Thatās not a religious belief anymore, it has evolved into a destructive political beast. There are too many beliefs we can fuss about and not worth my time up and until it starts becoming an act of violence and even then I must ask myself questions. Who and what am I up against? Do I have the powers needed to intervene and create change for the better? How do I respond to it? Which course of action if any will stop it. Am I needed for this specific situation or are others handling it at the moment? Trump is a good example today. He is both loved and hated. I have no power over American politics. What will my fussing bring about? Stress or change? I donāt live in a black and white world, hence the reason for my question mark. Itās easy to say everyone should have rebelled about Mein Kampf but thatās in hindsight. Who could have known exactly what it would lead to? Perhaps Iām being naive. Is Trumps politics going to lead to a civil war or perhaps worse to nuclear war? Does anyone know for sure yet? This isnāt about strictly beliefs anymore as we have seen some policies that endanger mankind. I just donāt know that I want to fuss about beliefs. I am too busy and donāt have the time or energy for it. In this world of chaos and madness I am merely trying to create my own little world. Will I help the person on the street. No problem. Done it many times and will keep doing so. Will I stand up and call out the inaction of a crowd watching a minor getting bullied? No problem. Been there done that. I guess what Iām saying is that I work in my small little corner to make it better but no big stage for me. Iāve never understood why people want to vote and keep politics alive. Itās no different than carrying the torch for some angry God that will punish us. Not worth my precious little time to fuss about that either. Iāll stay in my little corner and clean up what I can when I can and if I can. Either I can do something about it and take action or not.
Stay informed, complain to your elected representative, and VOTE
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That isnāt true, in fact it is demonstrably false, as has been explained beliefs are very often the precursors to actions, good and bad. Had more people āfussedā over the content of Hitlerās beliefs outlined in Mein kampf, they might have been less enamoured of him as a politician worthy of wielding power.
That is entirely incongruous with your claim āto not fuss over what people believeā, unless you donāt care what the outcome of those beliefs is?
A bare unevidenced claim, theists love to make these. It is also a No true Scotsman fallacy of course.
Oh dear, now do you think Hitler and the Nazis would have been easier to defeat before they took absolute power, or after, do take your time with that?
Of course you do, we live in an age where ideas can be exchanged globally as never before, but of course this is not the point, you claimed not to fuss over what people believed, that kind of apathy gives strength to people who have a pernicious agenda.
A rather pointless straw man, as you made a generic statement about all beliefs.
Except I wasnāt making a specific claim about peopleās reactions then, I was merely using an example, to show how your apathetic approach to all beliefs is bound to end, as it ignores those that appear pernicious. You even seem happy to repeat their disastrous approach to Nazism, even with the benefit of hindsight, that says it all.
Anyone who bothered to read it, before it becamme mandatory reading for every man woman and child in Germany. You do know Hitler outlined his plans to rid Europe of the Jews? Do you need a blueprint of ovens and concentrations camps included in such a belief, before you need to challenge them as pernicious? Thatās rather worrying. So one can assume you donāt fuss about racist beliefs then? That again is rather worrying.
This statement is rather ironic alongside your claim to ānot live in a black and white worldā, since a pernicious belief is reason enough to challenge it, without trying to hide behind excuses about not being positive of the outcome.
Well thatās pathetic sorry, youād care plenty if those pernicious beliefs were planning to harm you or those you cared about.
Dear oh dearā¦
Though apparently you will wait until it inevitably happens, because you are ātoo busyā to object to anyone who claims to believe it is ok?
What a truly asinine assertion, politics is a human creation, and thus will always be imperfect, but it is objectively real, how on earth does that compare to any deity?
Again the example of Nazism proves the folly of this approach, how many people didnāt āfussā over what the Nazis believed, and the outcome of this apathy when they finally realised they had to fight it is pretty obvious, we donāt need hindsight either since it is a matter of historic record.
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This argument about my ānot fussingā is getting ridiculous and a waste of my time. How important is this really? We canāt all be the same. I have no objection to how you perceive or label me. Your beliefs are not worth fussing about. I donāt expect perfection from myself. Are you trying to tell me that you take action of every single belief that you are against? I donāt have the time or energy to fight all those battles. I know what my strengths and weaknesses are and will not pretend that I can fight every battle against beliefs. Iāll leave that to others who are more inclined to do that, better at it than I am and more influential. Perhaps you are the better man for this job than I am. I prefer creating change in my little world. There at least I know what I can accomplish.
Why would I want someone else to have certain powers over me? Why would I want to keep a system that is corrupt and broken alive? Why would I want a system that not only allows but creates poverty, injustice, criminal families, wars, abuse, threats, inequality?..to say the least. Why would I want to maintain a system in which every election someone is voted in and then hear voters say well we will vote you out and elect another only to repeat itself? You are voting in a person that represents a terrible system, political in this case. Show me an honest politician and i will show you my vote. Show me an honest system and I will show you my vote. Those are the 2 factors that will make me vote. Until then I will live without that stress. that voters get themselves involved in. Itās not an obligation to vote. I was involved when I was young but it is quite clear that people are not ready for real change. They want their left or right and they need one to be the enemy. I wonāt engage in that game. Once again, I prefer making change when and where I know I can actually create itā¦in my own little world where it will benefit others besides me. I see this no different than people who profess a religion based on hope and promises like politicians do and also abuse the religion to judge and create havoc in peoples lives. Both kill. Neither interests me. This is just my opinion and of course I make certain decisions in life that eliminate stress factors so itās more of a personal health choice that anything else.
Are you willing to sit back and do nothing when children are used as slave labor? Are you willing to sit back and do nothing when gays are not allowed the same privileges and rights as others? Are you willing to sit back and do nothing when minorities are not allowed the same privileges and rights as others? Are you willing to sit back and do nothing when you see evil injustice? Are you willing to sit back and do nothing when slavery is still practiced? Are you willing to sit back and do nothing when beating women is considered fair practice?
Human progress is driven by people addressing such social injustices.
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Of course they have me concerned. Show me the way to create change in what you have mentioned. I donāt know how to do it. Have you tried fighting the beast before?
Stay informed, complain to your elected representative, and VOTE
Well I donāt need to vote to do that and our local elected representative is in my little world which is what I have been mentioning all along. They donāt act unless their job is on the line. Itās a corrupt system, and there is just too much red tape to get them on board. Vote? Not for me thanks.
It was your claim, so only you can judge.
I have offered no labels, only responded to your claim, and I have offered no beliefs I hold that I am aware of, though what relevance they would have to your claim escapes me.
That seems like a non sequitur to me, just ridiculous hyperbole. There is a massive difference between ānot fussing over what others believeā and " taking action of every single belief that you are against."
Again you are leaping from a sweeping claim not to fuss over what anyone believes, to this bizarre idea the only other option is to fight every battle. This is an odd piece of hyperbole? If someone claimed to believe it was ok to rape children would you not fuss over this belief?
Well a good start would be for you to ābe fussedā about people who claim to believe those things are acceptable.
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