Well if all you’re going to do is invoke facts, in response to rhetoric, how is that fair?
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a) That’s an ad hominem fallacy.
b) One side of a debate, telling the other side, how they sound is the very definition of biased rhetoric wouldn’t you say?
c) People who are in a “movement”, with a pithy but ultimately vapid catchphrase, ought really to see the irony in aiming words like “sheeple” at others.
Again this is too obviously an ad hominem fallacy, though the FFS at the end is somewhat ironic, don’t you think?
…he said calmly, sadly this is more vapid rhetoric, and I’d happily bet my house Harris has a higher IQ than Trump, hell I had a Staffordshire bullterrier whose IQ Id bet was higher than Trump’s, though this of course is not nearly the point. The preparedness of her campaign of course was largely outside of her control, Biden ought really to have stepped down sooner, but hey ho.
You owe me an irony meter, you crazy cat lover…
"Immigration
In response to immigration concerns, Harris’ call to action was the public-private partnership Central America Forward (CAF). The idea behind CAF is to support the creation of local jobs and other measures in order to slow the flow of mass migration.
CAF has generated more than $5.2 billion since its launch in 2021, and its partners include more than 50 companies and organizations that have committed to supporting economic growth in the Central America region. The entities represent the financial services, textiles, apparel, agriculture, technology, telecommunications, nonprofit sectors, and others"
"Voting rights
Harris was at the forefront of the administration’s pursuit to enshrine voting rights protection throughout the U.S. according to White House transcripts. She pushed for Congress to pass the John R Lewis Voting Rights Advancement Act, which would’ve extended the protections of the 1965 Voting Rights Act and required federal approval for some local election law changes.
In 2021, the bill did not receive the 60 votes needed to overcome a Republican filibuster, preventing the start of debate on the Senate floor where Harris would have cast the deciding vote in the evenly split chamber."
Abortion
“Harris visited a Planned Parenthood clinic on March 14, a historic first for any president or vice president while in office, according to previous reporting by USA TODAY. Walking through the clinic in Minnesota, the vice president spoke with staff members and health care providers as part of her nationwide “Fight for Reproductive Freedoms” tour earlier this year.”
Gun violence
"In September 2023, Biden established the first-ever White House Office of Gun Violence Prevention to reduce gun violence, overseen by Vice President Harris, as announced by the White House.
The Office of Gun Violence Prevention builds upon actions taken by the Biden-Harris administration to end gun violence, which include the signing of the Bipartisan Safer Communities Act."
Maternal health
"In her previous role as U.S. Senator for California, Harris introduced the Maternal CARE Act and the Black Maternal Health Momnibus Act, which would direct multi-agency efforts to improve maternal health, particularly among racial and ethnic minority groups, veterans, and other vulnerable populations as well as maternal health issues related to COVID-19.
The vice president’s prior work on maternal and infant health care was a key component of the Build Back Better Act, passed in 2022. The legislation expands access to maternal care and makes new investments to drive down mortality and morbidity rates."
Broadband expansion
"In 2023, Harris and U.S. Secretary of Commerce Gina Raimondo traveled to Kenosha, Wisconsin to celebrate the announcement of new electronics equipment production made possible by the Biden-Harris Administration’s “Investing in America” agenda and Bipartisan Infrastructure Law.
The Bipartisan Infrastructure Law requires the use of American-made materials and products for federally funded infrastructure projects, with the goal of bringing hundreds of new jobs to the U.S. The law also notably includes a historic $65 billion investment to expand affordable and reliable high-speed Internet access in communities across the U.S."
Since you asked, she is also not the least popular ever VP, a lie team Trump had shamelessly peddled. You do grasp that what a politician achieves, is likely to be relative to the perceptual bias of those evaluating it?
Risible vapid rhetoric, do you really believe this sort of sweeping nonsense reflects the facts and complexities of immigration in the 21st century in the US, or anywhere in the developed world for that matter? I am minded to quote your opening sentence, calm down, take a deep breathe, and try fact checking some of the rhetoric you’re parotting.
There were likely many reasons, given the numbers of voters involved. Just 4 years ago this was also true of the election that ousted Trump, a result you have lied about on here more than once, and that gave a mandate to policy makers you are now decrying, so can you see how being lectured on the result of an election is pretty ironic in that context?
Hyperbolic rhetoric. If 4 years ago, someone here had told you that Biden’s victory was because “we were tired of the insanity of the right” would you have found such vapid rhetoric at all compelling?
More empty rhetoric.
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Not only empty rhetoric, when Our Mr Mcabre realises that his liberties are denied under the jackboot of Trump appointed Christo Nationalists, who wear racist, Christo fascist tattoos…who will he call then?
Or to put it another way, atheists are on the Trump cabinet shit list as the next minority to be vilified, blamed for Trumps policy failings to come and then persecuted…be prepared Mr M, don’t say you were never warned.
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Well, yes, though this was more an attempt to expose sources. Or lack thereof.
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Well, I guess you’re right. On the chance one might be able to pay fifteen cents less for a dozen eggs and an extra mother & child trying to escape poverty might be blocked at the border is worth electing a pussy-grabbing, convicted felon, rapist who wants to punish women for taking control of their own bodies and force xtianity on all children.
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While I understand the anxiety associated with illegal immigration, I don’t share it.
Illegal immigrants–as a group–are statistically less likely to be criminals, not more.
Also, we created the issue and brought it upon ourselves.
The USA makes up about 5% of the world population, yet counts for more than 35% of the greenhouse gasses. In order to bring every human up to an American standard of living would require 4 more planets just like Earth
So, I argue that people in other countries are impoverished because of our materialistic greed.
Many of these immigrants have no opportunity because we stripped the resources out of their countries.
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Here here! Four more years! Four more years! (A little dissension among the ranks - heh heh heh - I’ll just stir the pot a little).
Hey! I heard Trump just … uh … I heard he just made BASE jumping illegal!!! Can you believe that? Get that turd mongerer out of office!!!
(Heh heh heh - and now watch the two sides destroy themselves. You were warned of this in Revelations, atheists … you were warned … heh heh heh) 
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Yes, the irony seems to have escaped him, I wonder how many Jews thought it was in their interests to vote for Herr Hitler, paranoidly waving away his antisemitism, as an exaggeration of his enemies.
The idea that advisers with sexual misconduct charges against the are unsuitable for Trump’s cabinet, is also pretty ironic.
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he seems to be making them a preference
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The problem with illegal immigrants in this country is that they tend to have a darker skin tone than myself.
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You all keep responding to this election like it’s personal, but it’s just US citizens who want to have common sense returned to our lives.
It’s the same bullshit claims, and all I hear is blah blah blah, Trump blah blah blah, Hitler, blah blah blah, convicted felon(?), blah blah blah blah blah, dictator, blah blah blah blah. You’re all idiots, and can’t stand the fact that the election went the direction it did. Get over it, as well as yourselves.
It’s gotten monotonous in the past 4 years, the virtue signaling doesn’t work any more.
I actually have some hope now for the future of our grandkid’s lives’. I’ve already lived the majority of my life, and only want to see our kids become grandparents, and that they have a better life with their grandchildren than we’ve had with ours.
Nothing more, nothing less.
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Unless they are anything other than xtian
Unless one of them has an ectopic pregnancy
Unless one of them gets a disease a vaccine could have prevented
Unless one only has access to contaminated water
Unless one lives near a chemical spill from a deregulated train
Unless they can’t afford consumer goods that have tariffs applied to them
Unless they have asthma aggravated by polluted air
Unless they develop a condition preventing them from being employed
Unless it’s important they want political role models who aren’t sex offenders
Unless they want accurate news reporting
Unless they aren’t cis and straight
Unless they don’t look white
Unless they are female and want to keep their medical records private
Unless their parents want the Social Security payments they’ve contributed to beyond 2035
Unless they are maga so are not considered enemies
Unless their skin is a shade too dark
Unless they want to peacefully gather together with others to question a political agenda
Unless they aren’t male or have no children and want to be able to vote
Unless they don’t want law enforcement officers to have free rein
Unless they want presidential term limits
Now you can say this post is merely hysteria. Or you can insist none of this will happen. However, all of these eventualities have been promoted by Trump, Vance, Johnson, Project 2025, and other maga followers or connected groups. They’ve said this shit out loud.
I would stake a fat wad of cash that you won’t investigate any of this, though.
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And, BTW, @mr.macabre13, stick a fork in me, I’m done. I will not address this subject with you, in particular, again.
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That might be more meaningful if you hadn’t been caught lying about politics, over and over again.
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Ad hominem, and not liking the result of an election is perfectly fine, so is saying so? Lying about the result, and instigating a violent insurrection to attempt a coup on the other hand, is not.
That’s hardly anyone else’s fault?
If you don’t like debate, then don’t involve yourself in it, but you can’t tell others not to debate something in a public debate forum.
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Turn about is fair play apparently, I was thinking along those same lines.
Your hyperbolic, frenzied, and hysterical comments only amplify the fact that you only care about how literally anything/everything will somehow affect you in your daily life. Think with your head, not your feelings. It’s not all about you.
The progressives/leftists have failed in their attempt to take total control of our freedom of speech, our right to bear arms, as well as the freedom to think what we want, and not worry about being censored. Networks like MSNBC and CNN can all go and rot in their own misery and biased reporting.
We’re taking America back.
The smart move, IMHO. The ad hom, schoolyard bully style retorts would likely have only kept increasing in their dubiousness.
Besides, taking America back hits the nail right on the head here anyway. Many of the “progressive” ideas and policies of U.S. politicians are already in place in many countries around the world.
Recognizing that we’re far behind other wealthy nations in terms of (for but a few examples) protecting working families, the elderly, children, the sick and the disabled can be difficult if one’s party platform is from the 1950s.
The irony, then, is that the Republican party’s positions are what’s well out of place in 2024. It’s a funny old country.
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I agree with the caveat that I think it’s not the traditional Republican Party that will drive the country backwards at breakneck speed (it would be a slow stroll instead), it’s maga. Traditional Republicans, like Liz Cheney support democracy. Maga wants to put the pedal to the metal.
Quite right, and it’s this more fanatical, pedal to the backward metal faction that has ruled the party’s direction for some time, IMO.
The party’s ideological center has veered way right of all Roves and Bushes, finally knocking them aside or somewhat tolerating them. What had been its fantastical fringe has now become the GOP center.
(These same folks have also unfortunately realized that keeping their followers as angry and scared and insular as possible produces votes, and lots of them.)
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I have trouble with communication because I’m autistic. Was this intended as irony/sarcasm? Or are you serious?