Not because their wool was harvested?
Yes you said, but why? Farmed honey doesn’t harm bees, far from it…
What about the occasional lamb chop, and I give up wool?
Winking smiley face added for clarity…
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You don’t have to give up wool, that’s the point. About lamb chops…I haven’t heard nearly enough about any maltreatment of sheep for it to matter. Should be alright I suppose.
Sorry, that was my warped sense of humour, it’s not always clear…
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Lol I think I get it now 
@aketo I appreciate your position and I also appreciate the moral position of vegans. In the interests of honesty and transparency I state I am a herbivore, I do eat meat.
But my statements on this subject were intended to argue the complications in a vegan lifestyle, not disrespect it. For any misunderstanding, I do apologize.
I also sincerely thank you for posting that video, it has informed and educated me. I was not aware of such practices within the honey industry and now my position requires contemplation. Believe it or not, I feel for the bees.
To illustrate my position on animal cruelty, here is a true story.
Many years ago I was taking the subway downtown. About half-way to my destination, I noticed a ladybug crawling on the seat in front of me. I carefully gathered it in my hands, and delicately cupped it in a protective manner until my stop. Making great care to protect it I went outside, found a patch of greenery, and released it back into the sunlight and fresh air.
That’s mighty sweet of you. You haven’t disrespected any position; I posted the video for that very purpose: to inform and educate. To clarify, I am not vegan and do occasionally have meat. But very rarely now. I should have quoted what I was referring to in my post (your post about bees). So I’m sorry for the confusion.
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I am happy we have clarified our respective positions.
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I’m sorry… What did he say? I was gnawing on a honey baked ham sandwich when I slipped on a string of Japanese pearls I just bought and fell to the floor. Lucky for me I was wearing my silk lined mink panties and wool socks, or I might have ripped the expensive bear hide rug with leather backing that graces my kitchen floor. So, what was this guy talking about??
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Jesus Fuckin’Christ THAT was suppose to be worn! Idiot…
Oops… I guess that explains the booty feet and the zippers. I didn’t think bears had zippers, but then, I never really got close enough to one to find out.
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While the first point is inprovable, I suspect that the second might be. The main arguments I’ve heard are that
- Creating lots for cattle destroys natural land, and
- Cattle produce large amounts of methane, releasing greenhouse gas into the atmosphere.
I don’t know how detrimental this is, and I suspect that methane scrubbers are more than possible, but I do see the correlation.
I’m vegetarian and pro animal rights. I firmly believe that animals are capable of advanced cognition and abstract thinking, they just cannot tell us. I don’t wear fur, I can sympathize with not wanting to be skinned and worn as a trophy. The beef proccess is grotesque, I see why the suicide rate of beef plant workers is so high.
I don’t think this has to do with religious affiliation, though. While there are religious dietary restrictions such as Kashrut, I doubt vegetarianism is an “atheist thing”
ALBERTA SOLAR FARMS
2 pictures of land use. Cattle do not destroy natural land. I drive by every day fields that have trees, slews, birds, gophers, coyotes, deer, rabbits… wild growth everywhere. Perhaps some cattle factories 
where-ever (not around anywhere I’m aware of in AB, but perhaps a few???) do not work with the natural environment - BUT not every cow slaughtered for meat has a slavish life.
AND another “scrubbing” company…
Purchase your products responsibly.
@Sheldon Wool sweaters are pretty awesome. Yeah, they might make you itchy, but they sure as heck keep you quite warm and comfortable in the winter months.
Oh…so that is my farts stink. Being a cow, I guess I am now in a state of “udder” despair. LMAO!
I know this because I have seen a bull terrier. They made Spuds Mackenzie a bull terrier because it looks like their mothers drank nothing but alcohol while they were pregnant.
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Actually, it’s not as a quick search showed me.
Turns out I was mistaken. It seems herbivores are an efficient way of producing protein.
Nor is such a claim unfalsifiable. It’s already been done. The standard is the “feed conversion ratio”
Same for greenhouse gas emissions:
“At a global scale, the FAO has recently estimated that livestock (including poultry) accounts for about 14.5 percent of anthropogenic greenhouse gas emissions estimated as 100-year CO2 equivalents”
Environmental impacts of animal agriculture - Wikipedia.
It was lazy of me to not check before I posted. However, I did say I couldn’t prove my claims.
Seems you didn’t check your facts either. Perhaps a lesson to each of us.
As for animal rights; there are no such things in any innate sense. Animals are protected (or not) by law is various countries to varying degrees.
I am unable to watch an animal being hurt or being hurt or neglected without doing something.*** However, I’m also unwilling to put animal needs above those of humans. I have met animal activists all my life who do exactly that, equating value of an animal with the value of a human life. I don’t, and realise this is a moral stance.
***the most pragmatic thing I actually do is to get all of my dogs from Animal Welfare. Over the last 30 years, each of the four I’ve owned have been rescues. Nor is it cheap. The Jack Russell I have now cost me $700
PS; The term you were struggling to find is ‘unprovable’ or, most commonly used, ‘unfalsifiable’. That means a claim cannot be shown to be true or false.
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Not all animals was created by God the Creator to be pets. Kentucky Fried Chicken is very good.