Not sure I understand. You seem to be claiming something without actually saying it. I wasn’t aware that there was any kind of crime caused by race. You seem to be saying there are crimes only committed by black people and/or committed because people are black? I don’t think that’s correct.
Did it not occur to you to link say poverty and ignorance (as in undereducation)
with crime?
I’m sure I’ve misunderstood…
Wow, I wish I had powerful binoculars like that, or even to real time satellite which you just must have Mr Macabre.
Or could it be you are just eating spicy buffalo wings with large fries, sauce dripping down your vest watching Fox News?
Indeed, also I’m left wondering why white crime committed against white people is somehow not worth mentioning here, yet a crime committed by a black person against another black person is worthy of mention?
Almost as if skin colour has no direct relevance to crime. On occasion when I was younger I took long holidays in the sun, and hugely increased the melanin in my skin. I have to say, that unsurprisingly I never once developed an increased propensity towards crime?
In case I’m being too subtle here, I think any suggestion that black people, for want of a less facile description, are more likely to commit crime, is a deeply stupid and wildly racist lie.
Hopefully that was not at all what @mr.macabre was implying, in which case I apologise for not quite understanding what the point of his unevidenced claim was.
It is a standard rallying cry of the alt-right/white supremacists. From my time in the Libertarian party, I’m still kind of fluent in “racist nutjob”.
It all boils down to willful ignorance. They’d rather add the formulation “chances of flying lead” to their weather forecasts than admitting they have a serious gun problem.
(paraphrased from something I saw out there on the internets)
I do not like to cast disparaging remarks to my wonderful neighbours to the south, because most are good people.
But I see a parallel between their gun laws and health care. They ( I mean too many ) do not look outside of thier own borders and examine how other nations deal with guns or health care.
Too many are willing to listen to their own domestic nut jobs telling lies than look outside of their own borders.
Or is it a case of them equating health care with socialism and gun reform with “taking our guns away”?
As the Scottish comedian Frankie Boyle once quipped…
Americans are an odd nation, they are totally obsessed with their teeth, but become violent when ever anyone tries to offer them free medical care…
He did a series on the 2016 presidential election which was comedy gold. Even before Trump got into the White House it was clear his political career was a rich comedy vein waiting to be tapped.
All of the late night comedy/talk shows have feasted and prospered with Trump. Now that he may be fading from the public consciousness, they will have to hire more comedy writers.
Judging from the sound bites that get parroted back, I’d say this is the whole of the arguments.
Yep, I think so probably so.
As an outsider it seems to me that for many American democracy is based on an Ayn Rand style of Libertarianism. IE “I’m Ok, Fuck you Jack”
Perhaps due to willful ignorance many Americans see universal care as a form of Socialism.
Australia has a mixed system of universal and private health care.
Medicare is available to all citizens. Health care can be had free of charge to the patient, although many doctors and hospitals charge more than Medicare pays them, so there is a ‘gap’ payable by the patient. **Medicare is not free. ** It is financed by a specific, extra 2.5% tax levy on taxable income .
There is no charge for treatment at a public hospital. This includes expensive long term care for say cancer or even organ transplants.
BUT there is usually a long waiting time for ‘elective’ (non life threatening) treatment at a public hospital.
For older people, this can mean a long wait for say a hip replacement or cataract repair.
The government encourages people over 50 to also take out private health insurance. The government pays 30% of the contributions. By law an insurance company may not refuse to cover a person. However, a two year waiting period is allowed for pre existing conditions. Private health insurance cannot run out, nor is there a limit to health insurer payment.
Here our government regulates private health companies, as well as banks,
to mention just two.
I don’t understand how Australia’s health system can be called socialised medicine. Be happy to see an informed response.
Addendum: As a single person with extras such as some dental and optical coverage, I pay $208.72 a month. That means I can usually get in to a private hospital within a week or less. EG few years ago, I had my cataracts repaired. Private hospital, day surgery, a week apart .Total cost $1500. Cost to me : $0.00
Or take the cheap way out and just sponsor the next dumbass who runs for president. How hard would it be for them to allocate some free air time to some dimwit just to get their late night shows some ratings. (Gotta think outside the box.)
Me: Looks at riots…
That’s a good question.
Probably makes the riots worse, though I’m not sure.
I just know a multitude of people have died from said riots.
Also, ANTIFA assaults people with literal objects.
No, @mr.macabre is probably just saying that it would be almost impossible, and my theory is because there’s too many gun owners in the US for that.
Maybe. Maybe not. Depends on what specifically you’re talking about, but then again it’s important to remember that not everyone is the same.
You got a point.
I suppose.
However.
If there had been someone with a gun at the Orlando shooting, those people could have been saved. The shooter could have been shot in the beginning, and never let the violence happen.
Then, easy, just require them to be trained. The basics, so that they know about that. And I mean trained to use the gun properly.
ANTIFA is NOT for equal rights - they literally just assault people with objects and throw objects at police vehicles while shouting “Allah Akbar” and looking like they belong in Isis.
BLM is a mix. It’s got good parts, and then it has the riot parts.
The US is already too full of guns and criminals owning guns…it may work for other countries, but we need a different approach. Like changing the prison system that continuously traps men so deep they can never leave.
True.
Yup.
Pandering to the woke mob, of course.
True that.
I’m gonna own a gun when I can.
Yeah, that does seem like a big problem. I’m glad you didn’t take one while in this state, though.
True.
Maybe I should wait a little bit for a gun.
I have 3 baseball bats (2 of which are metal) and my mom has a hammer she keeps by her bed. We also have a nerf sword that is compressed with a metal bar in the inside, and another sword like that that can at least deal bruises.
Yeah. One of my ex-boyfriends actually had to keep a gun with him, since there is gangs where he lives (in Texas).
If you had read his comment, you would have seen that that’s not what he said at all.
No, it’s the riots he’s talking about. Antifa is basically a bunch of people who assault people with objects and throw objects while yelling “Allah Akbar” and looking like they belong in Isis. Basically, domestic terrorists when you really learn about them (also, they’re actually fascist themselves, despite what their full name, antifascists, suggests), but they’re the only pro-LGBT ones I’ve ever come across, interestingly.
I hate them. I hate when they wave pride flags - most of the LGBT community is not for what they do.
Stopping yourself from committing suicide is different than just protecting your family.
Also, the “justice” system and prison system actively continuously pulls in men so deep, especially non-white men, that they usually can’t escape. My own father has been a victim of this for quite a while (he’s half Nez Perce [native ttribe], 1/4 Mexican, and 1/4 white).
Y’all complain about ad hominin and then literally do it against him?
The hell?
I thought you guys were supposed to be adults?
White people do indeed do more murder against white people than black people do to white people; however, black people also do more murder against black people than white people do against black people.
I don’t think he was, but it a possibility. Still don’t think he was trying to, though.
Also, I think he was bringing up black on black crime because of this?
It’s a huge problem, and no one is doing anything about it. Instead of leaving all those mainly young black men to die, we should be striving to help end the violence against them. I may not be black (that I know of), but I’m Native (Nez Perce, Black Foot), Mexican, Asian, and White, and possibly other things; if something like this happened against me, I’d want justice, not to be ignored.
I don’t think he’s a white supremacist, Chief.
That’s true, lol.
However, I hope y’all realize why we have the Second Amendment…
Just like any of the other Amendments.
Guns and masks and vaccines protect people, and each can also be weaponized, if used improperly or horribly or for wrong reasons or to kill.
It’s not so easy. These are skills that need to be maintained. It’s not enough to have gone through a course 20 years ago to be able to handle such situations. Law enforcement and the military drill these things all the time for a very good reason. I haven’t done any weapons training myself, but I have been doing martial arts and serious self defence training for years, so I know how quickly you lose your reflexes and ability to think quickly in stressful situations. Also, I have an issue with trusting a Joe Random to do the right thing in a stressful and chaotic situation, even with training - I wouldn’t trust people that are not robustly trained for it, and is not up to date with their weapons training and ability to “read” complex situations correctly. For example: in situations that have escalated or is at a standoff, how do you determine who is the aggressor if both parties wield weapons of some kind and threaten each other? What happens if there are two or more gun-wielding Joe Randoms present that are not aware of each other, and independently set out to resolve the situation with their guns? How are they supposed to separate the good guys from the bad guys? Think about it.
Although I am not opposed to gun ownership as such, I think the way it is implemented in the US is insane.
True.
That’s a good point.
You’ve got a point there.
Yes, there are indeed problems with it.
Do you know why? Because we have restricted gun ownership and we do not have your gun problems.
It’s really that simple. We do have a solution.
I’ve never seen a riot, but I’m guessing using non-literal objects would make things far safer and generally more pleasant.
Circular reasoning fallacy, and what do you mean too many gun owners for laws restricting guns? What are they going to do if the laws are passed restricting gun ownership, they’re law abiding remember?
Maybe, but one less gun would definitely have saved them from being shot. These laws work in many other countries, it’s not just a theory.
Does ANTIFA even exist?I was talking about BLM anyway, and the movement is not “bullshit” if its aims are equality and equal rights, nor can it realistically be held accountable for the actions of everyone who turns up at a demonstration
That is a right wing myth.