Trump's impeachment trial to proceed

[conspir-a-tard]
You are suggesting there are shape-changing space lizards? Well of course there are! Who do you think operates the Jewish space lasers, Darth Vader? They use the space lizards because they work cheap! But Trump fought back! That is why he did all that crazy immigration stuff during his term. And why he had to be removed with a virus. That is what all the immigration stuff was about during his presidency. He wasn’t trying to separate brown children from their families; he was stopping the space lizards!
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To some, this would be accurate, when it comes to engaging with Trump supporters:

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You cannot reason with extremism. Most often ideological ideas get tied closely to identity and feelings.

That set aside… I’ve often wondered what the conversation would be if perhaps “the identifiers” were changed.

BLM storming the Capitol after Biden clearly repeats “the election was stolen” and there was “massive fraud”.

Patriots setting up in Portland.

BLM sitting in the State’s Capital building.

A Patriot getting pulled into a van by unidentified authorities while walking down the street.

I usually run these reverse identity scenarios through my imagination…

Got the idea from this scene:

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@Nyarlathotep just saying you can make mistakes if you haven’t slept in over 48 hours

How many hours do you have to be awake to start burning crosses on the lawns of black people?

@Nyarlathotep are your saying any person that uses another person’s comments to point out hypocrisy is racist by default.

Speaking for myself, no.

Imo this is not so much ‘an atheist forum’, but ‘a forum for atheists’. Properly worded post headings show the nature of a post.

Threads tend to meander off topic when folks become bored or irritated.

I have never seem this as a place to discus mainly atheism. Now that would bore me rigid and I doubt I’d bother hanging around.

We may rail against some of the dropkicks who find their way here. However, at the very least, they allow us to bask in the warm glow of smug superiority. :innocent:

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Hmm…

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That’s not how I read it. My take is that may be the case when such comments are taken out of context as you did.

However, I am not calling you a racist, indeedly doodly not. I think you seem to be more an ignoramus suffering from cognitive dissonance. (look it up) This seems to be a virtually universal trait among Trump supporters.

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That and insisting they’re Patriots, as if anyone who dares disagree with their view of how the US should be run is by default unpatriotic.

Why they think patriotism is so desirable a character trait isn’t ever made clear, after all it’s fair to say Hitler and Mussolini were extremely patriotic.

I think it’s better to focus on helping the people in a country, rather than making rhetorical appeals to how much you love your country. Also if they love it so much why are they so angry all the time? A cynic might point out they merely love their own political religious and ideological views, and are conflating an America they love, with an America that is run in a way they love, to the exclusion of everyone else’s views of course.

It’s also worth pointing out that nationalism and patriotism are quite different, though they are often mistaken by nationalists as the same thing.

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OR
A “Biden” lover OR
Antifa/BLM OR
A socialist-commie bastard (you bastard!) OR
A sheeple OR
Brainwashed by “FAKE NEWS” (I personally love this one the best!)

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Sadly - they are angry, depressed, feel “powerless”, stuck…

I’ve seen too many past friends who were once humorous and experienced joy in their lives, move to these emotional states because they believed what they were told.

Uh… the USA was founded on Christian Values (don’t you know???) … the Christian Nationalists.

Used a Christian source on how many churches are trying to de-radicalize members.

Unanimous Supreme Court ruling denies his attempt to dismiss subpoena, which means Trump will now be forced to release his tax returns.

Tic fucking tock…

Chickens are coming home to roost…

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Hmmm :thinking: the whole issue about his “hair-style” personal write-offs will finally be settled!

If it flies, well fuck! No personal taxes for everybody!!! :tada:

@boomer47
Im a trump supporter that’s news to me have never voted for the tango man never would. You know the USA is not a two party country you can vote for independent candidates

@boomer47 That is what theists constantly accuse us atheists of doing, and frankly, it is annoying.

@Whitefire13 So you are saying that the United States is based on the Bible? In that case, the Founding Fathers should be Abraham, Moses, David, Saul, Solomon, etc… LOL! :grin:

Bunging the flag on a pole in one’s front yard is not a thing here. It happens, and I always look askance at the people who do it. To me one’s love of country is simply assumed. A very easy thing to do in Australia because we have so much to love. I do not see patriotism as a weapon, a way to bludgen others regardless who who they might be.

To be prideful of oneself because of an accident of birth (nationalism) is a gran faloon. I find its use to create divisiveness and to foment violence by goading people into rampant xenophobia sickening.

The difference between Nationalism and Patriotism:

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