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@ boomer
On biden isnāt a witness Lenard McKelvey and the fact he apologised about it, Empirical evidence
On cuomo there are republicans who are looking at getting him impeached and new york democrates are interested in removal of emergency powers plus the statement from his aide President Trump turns this into a giant political football. . . . He starts tweeting that we killed everyone in nursing homes,ā she said, according to a recording first obtained by The Post.
āHe directs the Department of Justice to do an investigation into us. . . . And, basically, we froze, because then we were in a position where we werenāt sure if what we were going to give to the Department of Justice or what we give to you guys . . . was going to be used against us.ā (Emphasis added.)
This statement ā which DeRosa has confirmed to be accurate ā is astonishing on many levels. She was effectively confessing to a months-long coverup involving both the governorās office and the Health Department. She specifically cited concern about a federal investigation and political blowback. And she presented that as if it were a legitimate rationale for hiding public records from duly elected members of the Legislature, not to mention everyone else.
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Melissa DeRosaās admission on nursing home coverup sparks calls for probe ā and Cuomoās prosecution
Melissa DeRosaās admission on nursing home coverup sparks calls for probe ā and Cuomoās prosecution
An even bigger problem: Her explanation doesnāt wash with the facts.
Goodness knows the former president can be blamed for a lot of things. Forcing Cuomo to lie is not among them.
To start with, DeRosaās timeline makes no sense. The federal inquiry began Aug. 23, and Trumpās nursing home-related Twitter attack on Cuomo and other governors came in early September.
By that time, Team Cuomo had been stonewalling questions about nursing home deaths for months ā dating back to May, when the Health Department quietly started omitting the deaths of residents who were shifted to hospitals before passing, which turned out to be roughly one-third of the toll.
At an Aug. 3 legislative hearing, Health Commissioner Howard Zucker acknowledged having the additional data, said it needed checking for accuracy and promised to provide it to lawmakers as soon as possible. It wasnāt until three weeks later that the Justice Department opened a preliminary inquiry (not an investigation) involving fewer than 30 facilities.
Second, officials concerned about an investigation would be expected to keep quiet on the subject. Instead, Cuomo and Zucker repeatedly claimed that New Yorkās nursing-home death toll was proportionally among the lowest of any stateās ā which they knew to be based on a low-ball count and therefore false.
Third, Team Cuomo showed no intention of coming clean even after Trump was voted out of office. They postponed answering an Aug. 3 Freedom of Information request from the Empire Center three times ā most recently delaying their response to March 22, 2021, more than a year after the pandemic hit.
It was only when Attorney General Letitia James faulted the stateās nursing-home data that the Cuomo administrationās stonewall started crumbling. And it took a court victory by the Empire Center, and a judgeās order, to finally flush out the full truth on behalf of more than 15,000 long-term care residents who died ā and 15,000 families who lost loved ones.
DeRosaās implausible apology came Feb. 10, which was also the deadline for the state to comply with the court order. Thatās probably no coincidence.
The bottom line: Cuomo and his administration deceived New Yorkers as long as they could and told the truth only when state Supreme Court Justice Kimberly OāConnor forced them to.
Here are 2 links on cuomo I hope the new york senate is impartial enough for you
https://m.facebook.com/pg/JamesTedisco/posts/?ref=page_internal#!/story.php?story_fbid=10160739542833082&id=30085718081&tn=%2As%2As-R https://www.nysenate.gov/newsroom/press-releases/james-tedisco/serino-tedisco-empire-center-analysis-cements-our-worst-fears
Be a dear and link these for me.
Can someone explain why Trump supporters think his actions can be defended by attacking his political opponents?
Thatās not how it works in adult conversationsā¦
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Thatās implying Trump is racist, but itās not racism, do you struggle with concept?
Could you provide a link for that please, as Iād like to see the context, and be sure he said it.
Either way, Bidenās behaviour and actions donāt offer any defence for Trumpās.
You seem to live in some weird binary alternative universe where Trumpās egregious actions are somehow acceptable if someone somewhere has done something comparably bad or worse. Thatās bizarre reasoning, though I must say Iāve noticed a lot of Trump supporters use this type rhetoric.
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@Sheldon how is a comment which Joe biden made is implying that trump is a racist but its not racism
www.bbc.com āŗ news āŗ world-ā¦
Biden regrets saying black voters considering Trump 'aināt black ā¦
My original comment was how come no one is slating the current US president for his openly racist opinions
If thatās a question then clearly, pointing out that Trump has expressed racism towards black Americans, is not a racist derogation of anyone, so it is quite obviously not racist.
Thereās nothing in that link about Biden I could see?
I canāt speak for others, but Iām not aware of any such comments, and this comment isnāt racist, itās a comment on racism, and you need to provide a link to it so we can understand the context.
Though most importantly, Bidenās actions donāt in any way justify Trumps actions, so this strikes me as a smokescreen to detract from that.
Start a thread on Biden if you think he has behaved egregiously, and offer evidence.
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@Sheldon Hereās the page https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.com/news/amp/world-us-canada-52773555
@Sheldon if it was a comment on racism why did he apologise and call it a cavalier moment meant cavalier comment
Biden campaign adviser Symone Sanders defended the comments on Friday, saying they were made āin jestā.
āLetās be clear about what the VP was saying: he was making the distinction that he would put his record with the African American community up against Trumpās any day. Period.ā
Mr Biden scrambled to make amends on a call later to black business leaders.
āI should not have been so cavalier,ā he said. āIāve never, never, ever taken the African American community for granted.ā
He added: āI shouldnāt have been such a wise guy.ā
He continued: āNo-one should have to vote for any party based on their race, their religion, their background.ā
So nothing racist then, as I said, and again Iām not sure what this has to do with Trumpās egregious behaviour outlined in this thread?
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Because it was, or at least could be perceived as, cavalier, obviously.
Perhaps you could explain your rationale here, why do you think this was racist?
Now can you see how that is dishonest hyperbole, in comparison to a single incident, where Biden made a what appeared to be a cavalier comment about the support his campaign had received from black Americans?
Firstly you said opinions, plural, secondly the comment wasnāt racist. So now itās coming across as mud slinging, to deflect from criticisms of Trump.
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During an interview, he had to go - his aide interrupted because of timeā¦ last thought he wanted to leave the audience with (
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Idiots! Like Hilary emphasis on the vagina vote.
This was before the vote. Last spring.
It goes the other way too, just less so and there appears to be more āapologies and responsibilitiesā from the Democrats (as a whole).
Two wrongs donāt make a right.
Yet - there is a persistent usage of the āotherāsā wrong to justify or reduce responsibility.
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I know, as an outsider it seems rather odd.
A bit like finding Maddie McCannās remains in the boot of Keir Starmerās car. Then his solicitor releasing a statement say āwell what about Boris Johnson, heās a bit of cunt, and youāre not mentioning that?ā
I donāt think @The_Towelie_ban is going to answer?
A Biden thread 
. No problemsā¦a debate forum.
Indeed, or start a broader thread on American politics, or global politics even, the worldās your oyster, so to speakā¦
Editā¦ Or actually offer tangible answers to the criticisms aimed at Trump, something beyond tit for tat rhetoricā¦
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@Sheldon if its just about trump impeachment why mention about senetor cruz and Marjorie taylor greene. By the way some of the crazy things Marjorie taylor greene has done makes trump look almost sane.
Hmmmm 
THATs a tough question!
Letās
Seeā¦
Start out back in time, talk impeachment. Time passes. Greene enters scene- impeach Bidenā¦ hmmm Republicans in general in a very ātough position due to their own makingāā¦ Uh - big tRump kiss ass, Cruzā¦ threw mud at California (that big bad Blue State) yet runs away when shit happened in his State.
Itās called evolution of conversation.
Because they both avidly supported his lies about the election he lost, and therefore it is apropos to offer a wider context of their behaviour.
Yet Trump has enabled such behaviours in an egregiously opportunistic way, what does that say about his suitability to hold high public office?
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@Whitefire13 Many internet forums and message board have an āOff Topicā area, where you can basically discuss anything. I donāt see one here. Should such a subforum be created?
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