Would it be more or less disrespectful than asking the god for help to find your car keys?
Okay, let’s try it this way, Mr. Rich. Logic. I know “logic” is a four-letter word to many Christians out there, but you have left me with no alternatives. My apologies.
In the middle of a life-or-death situation… you are suggesting we should STOP everything we are doing to stay alive… in order to take a moment… to pray to your god… to save us. (Which leads me to believe you have never encountered such situations. But I digress…) Anyway, allow me to break down your suggestion, if I may.
According to your precious bible and the “teachings” within it, your god controls EVERYTHING and knows EVERYTHING. (“Perfect Plan”, remember?) That being said, with all those life-threatening situations I experienced, your god obviously put me there on purpose. That means either:
A. Your god wanted to kill me. In which case, there was nothing I could do to stop him. (He’s All-Powerful, remember?) Therefore, my praying to him would have been pointless.
Or…
B. Your god did NOT want to kill me. Maybe he just wanted to make me pee my pants a little for his own amusement. Who knows? (He works in “Mysterious Ways”, right?) Regardless, my praying to him to save me would have been pointless.
OR (This is the good one, by the way)…
C. Suppose your god DID want to kill me during any or all of those incidents? And, like I said, I never asked him to save me. Yet… HERE I AM! Ta-daaaaa! ![]()
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Therefore, that could lead me to believe…
- Your god has horrible aim, because he missed all those times.
Or…
- I somehow outsmarted your god and thwarted his assassination attempts all those times.
(Either way, praying to him would have been USELESS.)
So, look, I know that this logic stuff is probably difficult for you to understand. Don’t worry, though. There are a couple of folks here who can explain it to you far better than I can. Feel free to ask for their help. We are always happy to help folks learn. ![]()
Eyewitness testimony can only be proof for existence of eyewitness testimony. Proof of god requires actual proof of god. Are you willing to accept any eyewitness testimony? They do come in all shapes and sizes.
Yes atheist do not think that god exist.
We are all agnostic, by definition non of us have any knowledge of god. We agree on that one.
Depends. If it’s during football season, it’s the team a person wants to win the Super Bowl that takes priority. Jesus, man! You can’t expect god to handle every single little problem all at once! What’s wrong with you?
You and Tia really should consider getting together. You both seem to have so much in common. Particularly in the area of lacking Reading Comprehension skills.
I know nothing of this Super Bowel thing. Must be a ‘murican thing, along with that ball that is hardly ever footed. But I’m sure Jesus’ Bowels are Super. Otherwise, he wouldn’t have footed the ball. Or something.
Oh, dang. I just realized I had spelled it wrong. “Bowel” certainly is what I meant to say. Thank you for the correction. (I detest most all professional sports, by the way.)
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There is only a small selection of sports that i can withstand watching, and those are sports somewhat related to the sports I used to do. And they are hard to find on the telly here. And even harder to find “live”. Fortunately, because I don’t really have the patience to watch sports. Other than that, meh. Oh, wait, there is one more. And that’s the sport a certain member of my family is doing. And I watch it because s/he is doing it. That’s all, I swear on the lightning bolts of Zeus!
And once again, we see a mythology fanboy try to tell us what we think, without bothering with the tedium of actually asking us about this, and trying to define our thoughts to conform to his presuppositions.
But of course, we’ve all seen this brand of hubris before.
Unless you have evidence to the contrary then you can safely assume that I have no need to prove which planet I was born on . If you need more information contact the Stupid Questions department Sid
Actually- this happened to me IRL.
Biggest reason I left off a god belief and started to live the only life I know I have.
Belief in “afterlife” insurance doesn’t cut it when you’re there.
If you are unwilling to offer proof, why are you demanding others do so?
- No proof is required. It is enough that you have not met your burden of proof. How you can be so ignorant of science and the 'null hypothesis is amazing." Either a god exists or a god does not exist. These are two prongs of a delimma. If you assert God Exists, you have made a positive claim and are therefore tasked with the burden of providing evidence for that claim. Pending sufficient evidence, I have no reason to believe your claim.
If you look up at the sky at night and see the starts, it is true that the number of stars in the sky are going to be odd or even. If I tell you that the number of stars is even, won’t you expect me to provide evidence for my claim? If I can not come up with evidence and you tell me, “I don’t believe you.” Am I just is asserting you believe the number of stars to be odd? Obviously if you don’t believe me and my assertion that the number of stars are even, you must believe they are odd.
You are under no such obligation of belief. Similarly the atheist is under no such obligation of belief with it comes to your version of a God. The fact that I do not believe in your God does not mean I am asserting Gods do not exist. That too will require evidence and a burden of proof. Now, should you give me specific concrete evidence for the existence of this God thing you believe in. Clearly define it. Then I may tell you that it does not exist. ‘May’ After all, some gods are formulated in such a way as to not exist. For example, a God that exists beyond time and space? Well what do you call something that exists for no time and in no space? You are admitting that your god does not exist. Existence is temporal. If it existed in any other way, how in the hell could you possibley know it? This god does not exist.
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LOL… I have been in many life threatening situations and I have never prayed. You are just demonstrably wrong.
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A. A possibility must be demonstrated. You don’t get to assert possibility.
B. Preveiously addressed but thanks for sharing your inane opinion.
C. No true atheist fallacy; Thank you for defining my state of atheism for me.
D. Pascals Wager in discuise; Is your creator so fucking stupid that he does not know your heart? Do you think he knows you only believe in him because you are unwilling to risk the consequences on non-belief. Is that the reason you are to believe according to your bible. How many of your friends are your friends because you can get something good from them? How many of your friends are your friends because if you were not friendly with them they would kick the shit out of you. You are saying this is a good reason to believe in your God. Really? Pascal’s Wager: “Believe in my God, why risk all the terrible things he will do to you if you don’t believe.” That is the best argument you have. That is really, really, pitiful! I feel sorry for you and even worse for the piece of shit you worship.
The most unreliable evidence in a court of law is eyewitness testimony. Unless it can be verified by other collaborating evidence, it carries almost zero weight.
Try again, I am waiting to be convinced a god exists.
How nice of you, a theist to attempt to redefine atheism. You are incorrect. An atheist lacks a belief in a god. If you can not comprehend the difference between non-belief and lack of belief, that is your shortcoming.
I don’t have to prove I was born on this planet , unless of course you have evidence to the contrary- Nothing like torturing a subject to try make it say what you want eh?
As for the question of proof for evil I’ll let Cog answer that for you - “ ." Either a god ( evil) exists or a god(evil) does not exist. These are two prongs of a delimma.( dilemma) If you assert God (evil)Exists, you have made a positive claim and are therefore tasked with the burden of providing evidence for that claim. Pending sufficient evidence, I have no reason to believe your claim. Cog ( Sid )
Well, some of what you write sound pretty alien to me…
I knew it, Klingons.
No one said you have to prove it. You asked someone else to prove something so I asked you to prove something. Seems reasonable to me.
Why won’t you just do what you’ve asked the others here to do?
