There are a couple of other that would likely do the same.
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As someone who experienced an evangelical, conservative Christian church first hand for many years, I can only say that those people are complete loons. Theyâve never gotten over their desire for a Christian king to reign (preferably King Jesus in the 2nd Advent). Itâs all nonsense from people who have been clueless ever since they were terrorized as children by the rehashed Greek and Jewish messianic myths and prophesies (i.e. Zechariah, Dionysus, etc esp the Greek belief in punishment after death) that Christ borrowed and hurled against the quisling Sadducees establishment in the age of Augustus. I suggest having a read here:
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Yes. Imagine someone with the same ideals and beliefs as Trump, but with a brain and capable of real cunning and planning. Now thatâs scary.
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One must remember organized religion is weak and filled with clowns and phonies that support religion so they cay prey on the weak and that and the weak minded accept it so they can feel better about themselves because they are weak minded.
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Damn, Iâm gonna have to remember that one. Nice! 
Welcome, 47. Always good seeing a new face around here. Oh, never accept any chocolate-coated bananas from Cog. Just so you know.
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And no matter what anyone says about Tin, he is not a stalker who hunts down the other members of the forum and then camps out in their backyards. No matter what you hear, the stories are not true.
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âFilled withâŚâ? Just how many is that? Which organized religion? Please let us know where you obtained the data that shows that those who accept religion are weak-minded. Please provide the source from which you determined that people accept religion to âfeel better about themselves.â
@47FreeBrain, I typically hold a theistsâ feet to the fire when one asserts something I find dubious. Youâve self-identified as atheist. That doesnât let you off the hook for being questioned about your assertions.
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In another thread heâs similarly painted Americans with an equally broad brush. Heâs not off to a good start on this forumâŚ
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I saw that, @SodaAnt. You responded well imo.
Greetings and welcome. I hope you find some useful interactions here.
I bristle a bit when someone over-generalizes about groups of people, even those I adamantly disagree with. While there are those as you described, there are many others with positive intentions who are hampered by indoctrination and the like. Ostracizing or demonizing in a general manner probably does more harm than good and begs the question of whether or not the person doing so may do it
When you throw shit, you are bound to get some on yourself. (Hmmm sounds like someone I know)
Anyway, welcome and help yourself to the âspecial eggnogââŚ
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Where do you want to go. Pat Robertson, Joel Olsteen, Tammie Faye and Jim Baker, to name a few, go back to the Fifties Billy Graham, then Steve Furtick, Mark Burns and Billy Graham (son} and the lists grow.This is to name a few leeches in life, Billy Graham, visited then President Eisenhower asked him to pray with him Graham doing the asking, the President asked it not be spoken about, what does the low life christian piece of shit do goes outside and replicates what he did with the Presidents, so know what you are talking about before you call out some one with out knowing what you are talking about. If you will go back and research the Times, New York Daily News and other National newspapers it was all over their covers, a pastor wants just a few things, his , her personal Jet, a fabulous Mansion and a off shore Bank account and Properties, so please get a check on reality.
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@47FreeBrain, Use the quote option so we know what youâre responding to, or at the very least hit reply at the bottom of the post youâre responding to. Otherwise no one has a clue what point youâre making or to whom.
If you highlight text in a post, then click on the quote option that appears, it will quote the text in your reply, with a link to the post and the name of the person youâre quoting. This adds clarity and continuity to the debate.
FYI, your claim was too sweeping and generic, there are plenty of religious people who are extremely intelligent, and very well educated, and with a strong sense of morality that includes empathy towards others. When you go from denigrating behaviour of some people in a large demographic, to denigrating the entire demographic, you have moved into bigotry, and that is what people are calling you on.
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Youâre preaching to the choir here. Most of us are atheists and donât need a reality check on religion or the personalities involved.
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Iâm going to guess you are referring to a response to your post claiming a sweeping remark about religious people.
Youâve named a few. Okay. That still doesnât answer the question about where you got the data to support your claim. Siting an example isnât data.
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A check on reality includes data, not conjecture. @47FreeBrain, if you had preceded your comments with, âthe religious people Iâve met/talked to seemed blah blahâ or something akin to that, your comments would have been perceived quite differently.
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So big name Christians that get caught are representative of the 6000 Christian faiths and over 2,604,381,000 Christian population estimated for mid-year 2023 Christian population
Okay, you named 10 people who may have been phony. So you are basing an opinion about all of Christianity, all 6000 sects, all **2,604,381,000 members on a pole of 10 members. (Do you see a problem here?)
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Do you really think you are in a position to lecture those of us who were alive and aware during every period you mentioned, and more?
Do you have any understanding of the many problems associated with demonizing swathes of people with superfluous and denigrating remarks?
I dare to say, most here do not need to be reminded of horrific, abhorrent, predatory, criminal, suppressive, and repressive policies and behaviors of some individuals who utilize religion for their nefarious intentions.
I am likely much more militant than many here, but I recognize the extreme variabilities involved and try to maintain some modicum of humanity.
Not everyone who has signed on to organized religion is either weak-minded or phony.
I too have been guilty of generalizing religious folks and I was just as wrong as you.
The motivation for you to come here is not all that different from the motivations of some of the âweak-mindedâ you identified. There are many who behave in a more acceptable manner because they are associated with a religion. I know, itâs hard to believe, but itâs true.
I understand and share your frustration with religion and the Joel Osteen variety assholes who do prey on the vulnerable. But I ask you sincerely to please try to exercise some tolerance and acceptance of those who are vulnerable and not just weak-minded. Your tolerance might be an avenue for exposing them to alternative ideasâŚor not. Either way, you will certainly benefit by embracing a more accepting attitude, which presumably, you would prefer be bestowed upon you as well.
That in no way implies compliance or acquiescence to the batshittery rampant worldwideâŚ
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Indeed, many of the people who fell for mythology fanboy lies,did so because:
[1] They were targeted for indoctrination while still in infancy, before they had the opportunity to develop proper critical faculties, and were deliberately prevented from enjoying a proper education in this regard (that old Jesuit aphorism, âgive me the child until the age of seven, and I will give you the manâ springs very much to mind here);
[2] They were targeted for indoctrination after their physical and mental resources were exhausted due to some catastrophe. Itâs a well known tactic to send out âmissionariesâ to disaster areas, with the explicit aim of recruiting new mythology fanboys from among the shell shocked.
Then of course, you have slimeballs like Ray Comfort, Kirk Cameron and Ken Ham, who realise that lucrative careers can be built upon selling lies to the uneducated and the vulnerable.
Weâre dealing with a ruthless, strongly motivated enemy willing to play dirty to achieve hegemony for their venomous ideas. We need to devise effective and efficient means of halting their malfeasance.
To bluntly answer your question yes. (Text removed by mod) they will never correct a wrong by another christian as that is not their place, besides if the argument goes their way they are safe and can claim they stood with who ever. Case and point the Phony Pat Roberson back in the 70âs and 80âs had his dumpsters filmed with over flowing envelopes from donations for a cause Pat got 100% of the monies, the Charity it was for got the least amount, late 90âs early 2000âs filmed in Africa off loading relief aid reloading mining equipment, and not one christian agency said anything nor did one christian.What I find amusing is the defense of the christian, when any other person or faith did the same thing there would be blood in the street.
You are simply wrong on both counts, I am trying to keep an open mind here, but this is sounding more and more like bigotry to me.
Missing the point more like, as no one is disputing some Christians are avaricious and self serving. So citing one examples is pointless.
Thatâs not an argument, and the second part is risible nonsense. You seem to have a bigoted prejudice against all Christians. I know plenty of Christians who on the whole are decent people, even if I donât share their religious beliefs, and I am pretty sure this would be true of most faiths to a certain extent. A person can be wrong, or hold beliefs that are wrong, but this does not make them a bad person per se.