What you think is irrelevant, what matters is what actually are facts. Especially since experiment where random RNA sequences are generated, after which there are documented biochemical activity in those random sequences, i.e. there is information in them that does biochemistry.
How new functions arise de novo is a fundamental question in evolution. We studied de novo evolution of promoters in Escherichia coli by replacing the lac promoter with various random sequences of the same size (~100 bp) and evolving the cells in the presence of lactose. We find that ~60% of random sequences can evolve expression comparable to the wild-type with only one mutation, and that ~10% of random sequences can serve as active promoters even without evolution.
It is generally assumed that new genes arise through duplication and/or recombination of existing genes. The probability that a new functional gene could arise out of random non-coding DNA is so far considered to be negligible, as it seems unlikely that such an RNA or protein sequence could have an initial function that influences the fitness of an organism. Here, we have tested this question systematically, by expressing clones with random sequences in Escherichia coli and subjecting them to competitive growth. Contrary to expectations, we find that random sequences with bioactivity are not rare. In our experiments we find that up to 25% of the evaluated clones enhance the growth rate of their cells and up to 52% inhibit growth.
get of my lawn. this is exactly exactly the type of post i have been begging for ever since on atheist sites. this is excellent and extremely thought provoking as a rebuttal to my claim. so what i will have to do is research it -thanks for the sources also!!!
this is great stuff, so i will copy the information into another file for items to follow up on when i can. but again, as i look at it as stated, this is really an excellent rebuttal. thanks so much
While I can’t speak for others here, I’m not sure what the problem is. Personally, with my wife being a hooker, and the kids being kept busy cutting the coke with baby formula, everything runs pretty damn smooth in my home.
This assertion of yours is patently false. Go to this post, and read the opening gambit therein about information. Which isn’t a magic entity.
Indeed, any physical system generates new information the moment its state changes by definition, and contains information about its state again by definition.
For example, a dog turd contains a wealth of information. It contains information about a previous meal the dog ate. It contains information about the gut bacteria living inside the dog that produced said turd. It may also, if the dog has a gastrointestinal infection, yield information about said infection. If any of the epithelial cells from the dog’s colon are found in the dog turd, these will allow us to sequence the dog’s genome, and find out whether or not it’s affected by certain genetic conditions, which will provide valuable clues to the breed of dog that produced the turd. If the turd contains certain species of nematode worms, we know that the dog hasn’t been medicated with an effective dewormer.
Oh, and in case you failed to learn about this, the ribosome is in effect, a chemical Turing machine.
Indeed, I covered in some detail why the whole “design” apologetics is a dishonest bait and switch in this post elsewhere. At some point I’ll have to devote a new topic to this, and compile therein all of the reasons why the “design” bait and switch is complete hooey.