Please read what I wrote about Kelly. I did answer you.
When have I ever pointed out anyone as immoral or dishonest?
Here. David called you out on it.
If anything, you’ve acted immorally and have been dishonest in most of this thread. You support an immoral religion that excels at spreading misinformation to it’s followers. What’s funny is that you’re a woman because Christianity doesn’t exactly support women’s rights. You have a god that states within the pages of the bible that women should be submissive to men. But here you are. Bullshitting about it in every other post. Did I mention that there’s a scripture where you yourself are not allowed to proselytize which you have done. It’s a sin in Christianity for a woman to run her mouth about the religion.I guess you should follow your own circular argument and do as your master says. 
But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence. - 1 Timothy 2:12
I’m not trying to convert anyone. Is that even possible? People make up their own minds about things.
This scripture doesn’t apply to me outside of my being of the female persuasion. I am not trying to usurp anyone’s “authority”.
At any rate, I have merely presented to y’all why and what I believe to the best of my ability ( because I was asked), and tried to answer as many questions as possible.
I realize many of y’all have had traumatic dealings with organized religion. I have tried my best to be cognizant of that
I’m sorry that you feel otherwise. I hope y’all have a nice day.
No. You did not even come CLOSE to addressing a very direct request I made to you in regards to your god inflicting pain and torture on an innocent infant.
You missed your calling, by the way. You might want to consider going to audition for one of the “Matrix” movie sequals. You could put Neo to shame with the warped and bendy moves you have. No CGI required.
Thank you! I did not see this.
The rule of course.
I’m happy that you acknowledge that it is required for people to live together harmoniously.
Common sense is not yet universally exercised. There are still warnings not to eat the contents on the back of strawberry shampoo and kids are eating sticks of deodorant for 5 minutes of fame, but it still remains that this rule is necessary for world peace, and I have hope in it.
You don’t believe God inflicted pain and torture on infants any more than I do.
I don’t believe what you were raised to believe.
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I don’t believe you. You’ve quoted scripture on here before and talked about your religion. That’s what the Timothy verse is saying you’re not supposed to be doing. You’re doing it anyway and when you’re called out on anything at all, you move the goal posts and make an excuse.
I have merely answered questions about why and what I believe.
You’re such a fucking liar. I have you right here preaching at me. We both know that’s exactly what you intended. So if you’re going to be a Christian maybe you should adhere to the rules of your bible and religion. 1 Timothy 2:12. So far you’ve been nothing but be a hypocrite who lies and moves the goal posts when it inconveniences you.
There is NO WAY you could possibly be that fucking dense. For somebody who claims to have read the bible, you certainly don’t know much about what is in it. Please, allow me…
2 Samuel 12: 14-18
Although, in all fairness, you ARE right about one thing. Since I do not believe in your god, you are absolutely correct that I do not believe anything mentioned about it in your precious bible. The difference, however, is that if YOU do not believe just one thing written in your bible, then you have effectively NEGATED every single other thing in it.
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It’s not a matter of belief, but a lack of belief in a supernatural explanation for natural phenomena. I observe that objective empirical data combined with the scientific method + logics, mathematics, and rational arguments suffices to explain stuff, like the fact that we live in a heliocentric solar system, that the earth is round, the origins of the universe/solar system/earth (NOT created in seven days), that the evolving of different traits in animals can be explained with random mutations + non-random selection (not like the Bible prescribes, with exposing animals to coloured sticks in order to make them develop stripes), that the workings of Nature is at the bottom level in our current energy regime dictated by four elementary forces (not by spooky supernatural beings), etc. Thus, there is no need to believe in a bronze age mythology to explain what we see around us. Such belief contributes nothing to any such understanding, and is therefore superfluous.
Furthermore, science works equally well whether i “believe” in it or not. A radio, a TV, a computer, a cell phone, a car, an airplane (etc.) works equally well for an atheistic scientist as it will for a hyperreligious science denier. Thus, there is no need to “believe” in science. Religion requires faith, and only seems to “work” if you believe in it. Once the faith is not there, religion stops working.
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But I’ll correct you in YOUR AREA. Follow your own religious advise and circular arguments.
Not me. I was brought up in a very nice well-educated family, in a very liberal and soft religion, the United Church of Canada.
You are hitting below the belt, insinuating that being an atheist is a display of something wrong in me, trauma or other factors.
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Ah, yes. Well said. I was also brought up in a “soft” religion, which I was free to leave at any time without any repercussions except my parents’ disappointment. For me, there was no specific turning point, but a decade+ long process, where knowledge about the sciences gradually replaced my previous religious view on the world. The biggest contributors here were physics and evolution. And getting to debate(*) with creationists.
(*) more like talking to a wall; same response.
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This is an example of one of the ways I can learn from you and I can provide you with a contrasting perspective based on something you have offered me:
Based on what you wrote, I asked my friend Bernita (who has a farm) about the ability of goat’s coats changing color.
She said vitamin deficiencies, particularly copper have an extremely noticeable affect on the color of goats. A black goat can become reddish brown in places and a brown or red goat can become mottled and white in patches. Copper supplements are essential to a goat’s diet. They need additional copper.
Tree bark, particularly that found in almond and chestnut or sycamore trees are high in copper. They also absorb the sulphur, molybdenum, calcium and iron, found in well water that are copper antagonists.
When Jacob peeled white streaks of almond and sycamore bark at the watering places, and left the sticks outside of the troughs where his flocks came to drink rather than put them into the troughs, he was affecting the mineral content of the goat’s water.
He wasn’t making the goat change color by voodoo. I didn’t think he was, but I might never have known WHY the goat’s coats were affected by sticks had it not been for your comment. I learned from you!
I was not hitting below any belts. I was explaining that I try to be sensitive to the fact that many people have experienced traumatic dealings with organized religion.
I’m happy that you had a happy upbringing, and thatnyou did not experience any traumatic dealings with organized religion. [quote=“Tia_Thompson, post:185, topic:2928”]
I realize many of y’all have had traumatic dealings with organized religion
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My comment did not therefore refer to you.
I get what you mean, but consider this: you have to turn on a radio, TV, computer, cellphone, car, and airplane. They work as well as dormant faith if you do not activate them.
Agreed.
I was raised in an expressly secular household, with parents who saw raising a child “in” a particular religion as child abuse. The history and main tenets of religions were batted around quite a bit, though.
My trauma came in adulthood after being exposed to some of the genuinely hideous acts that can be rationalized in the name of religion and the religious way of thinking.
We are, usually and conveniently, protected from many of these things in the Global North - often protected from even hearing about them.
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