Here’s a question, what if you’re a good person, that lives your life better then even the God botherers, but you’re not interested in spending eternity with the same person?
That sounds like hell! Ever sat on a train next to a drunk for more then 30 minutes?
Now imagine it’s for eternity with a guy who knows everything, set up adam and eve knowing they’d fail, punshied all human kind for their sin, then sends himself down as his own son to die on a cross to forgive those sins…
It has nothing to do with “thinking” or “believing”, it is a matter of fact that the bible was commissioned to be written by a slew of anonymous writers to promote a political agenda for an emperor to reign in his people. When you realize that your religion is nothing more than a tool to control others, perhaps it is you who will open your eyes.
The Fifty Bibles of Constantine are said to have been Bibles in the Greek language commissioned in 331 by Constantine I and prepared by Eusebius of Caesarea. They were made for the use of the Bishop of Constantinople in the growing number of churches in that very new city.
Well now hold on there a sec, pard. If you look at the Wikipedia article you’ll see that these were copies that were commissioned. The OT / Torah portions were already thousands of years old by then. I tend to adhere to the minority view that some of the NT was less than 300-ish years old by that time as commonly held. But even I doubt that they were written out of whole cloth on the spot.
What was going on is the selection of what books were included or not, it’s true. Even that, though, was more about edge cases. I suspect a general consensus about the canon already existed.
The order in which books were presented is, in my view, an oft-overlooked influence on proto-orthodox dogma. Putting the gospels first, followed by Paul’s letters, caused Paul’s very different take on whether Jesus was corporeal or not (for example) to be read with a bunch of assumptions based on the gospel accounts portraying him as a flesh and blood man. I believe this presentation was chosen over the more logical chronological order of authorship, to suit the direction early church fathers wanted things to go in.
Tell me how that isn’t true ? Do u think the Bible was writen by a couple of guys over just a couple of years ?
if it was, it would have at least a shred of more coherent logic than the bible we got today.
Journey to the West (16th century, a story with fucking laser eyes and a magic monkey) has more coherent logic than the bible.
and yes, the work is traditionally ascribed to like less than two humans (Wu Cheng’en) despite the novel being based on older folk tales. But aren’t most magical works based on older folktales? including your bible?
the one who decides right wrong is not god or allah or yaweh or some kind of fantasy coming from people’s urges but objective, tangible, empirical, and verifiable evidence
Ah, the unwanted sanctimonious panhandler is back.
Oh look, it’s the failed and repeatedly destroyed Pascal’s Wager garbage.
Item one: there are more than two choices. Humans have invented an entire petting zoo full of magic entities, and according to your simplistic bastardisation of logic, you stand far more choice of being wrong than we do, courtesy of the following facts:
[1] There are several thousand gods to choose from;
[2] Each of these gods enjoys the same likelihood of existing as yours (regardless of how much you peddle ex recto apologetics fabrications to try and avoid this);
[3] Since that likelihood is vanishingly small for all of the requisite cartoon magic entities humans have fabricated in their imaginations, we’re more likely to be right than you are.
As a corollary, you have wasted your time treating unsuported blind assertions from a ridiculous Bronze Age goat herder mythology as fact. We haven’t. Instead, we’ve spent our time constructively, learning how REALITY actually operates, as opposed to the Kabuki theatre fictional version peddled in your goat herder mythology.
Let’s see if you even acknowledge the existence of my post, let alone attempt something resembling a constructive response thereto, shall we? I predict you won’t.
Genuine debate involves providing evidence for one’s assertions. Which, during your tedious excursions into the realm of unwanted sanctimonious panhandling, you have failed dismally to deliver.
Since you also need some other facts dispensing to you, I shall duly deliver, and by doing so, provide an example you would do well to emulate.
Item one: you and your fellow mythology fanboys have had 2,000 years to provide even an atom of genuine evidence for your cartoon magic man, and have FAILED DISMALLY to deliver. As a corollary, ALL your assertions about this entity, can be safely discarded and tossed into the bin, with the same absence of effort you exerted in presenting them.
Item two: your favourite Bronze Age mythology isn’t “evidence” for your cartoon magic man, it’s evidence solely for the propensity of its piss-stained nomad authors to make shit up. Such as that cretinous bilge about genetics being controlled by coloured sticks, an assertion that was utterly destroyed by a 19th century monk, when he launched modern genetics as a properly constituted scientific discipline.
The assertion I’ve mentioned above isn’t the only example of ridiculous nonsense contained within your goat herder mythology, of course - the whole farcical Kabuki theatre that is Genesis 1 has, of course, been rendered null, void and absurd by scientific discoveries, and if required to do so, I can provide a detailed exposition on that subject with ease. The excremental and diseased farce that is the “global flood” is also known, by those of us who paid attention in class, to be risible garbage.
As a corollary, your assertion that your worthless goat herder mythology constitutes “scientific evidence” for your cartoon magic man, is laughable nonsense to anyone with functioning neurons.
Item three: ex recto apologetic fabrications that an astute child would point and laugh at, aren’t “evidence” for your cartoon magic man, they’re evidence for the desperation and duplicity of the pedlars thereof.
Item four: we and our surroundings aren’t “evidence” for magic poofing by your cartoon magic man, they’re evidence for testable natural processes, as documented in several million peer reviewed scientific papers. Papers that include among their number, documentation of successful experimental test of relevant postulates, which of course is completely absent from your mythology based fantasies.
Indeed, if anyone here is “lost”, it is you, as you manifestly lack knowledge that the rest of us here consider to be elementary, and in some cases acquired during our primary school years. You also manifestly lack any awareness of the proper conduct of discourse, and similarly absent from your woefully inadequate epistemological resumé, is a proper command of logic.
As a direct consequence of these obvious and florid deficiencies on your part, you have already peddled assertions here that are known not merely to be wrong, but to be farcical and absurd, and you have repeatedly committed the fatal error here of mistaking evidence-free proselytising for actual debate. Furthermore, since you need to be told this, blindly parroting unsupported mythological assertions as if they constituted fact, is the very definition of preaching. I suggest you learn this, and remedy your discoursive conduct accordingly.
As for your exhortation above, which when translated into plain English, becomes the nonsensical “talk to my cartoon magic man in the sky, and it will talk back to you”, this farce can be dismissed with the same absence of effort you exerted in presenting it. As can your similarly cretinous assertion that any genuine, substantive knowledge, is purportedly the product of your imaginary horned Kommandant of your similarly imaginary cartoon lava Auschwitz. Likewise, your cant and bluster about “judgement day” is similarly bereft of genuine evidential support, and can safely be tossed into the bin along with the rest of your feculent dreck.
Now, I seem to recall providing you with this schooling during a previous outing of yours, and sure enough, I did indeed school you on relevant issues during said previous outing. To which you responded back then with arrogance, the pretence that you knew me better than I know myself, and more sanctimonious panhandling. Hardly a scintillating track record on your part.
There is a vast canyon of deficit you need to cross, before you are even worthy of a point of view. The only reason I expend time and effort on your drivel, is so that the wider audience knows that said drivel does not pass here unchallenged, so don’t delude yourself that my attention bestows any merit upon your dribblings. Indeed, the precedents that I have set here, are that my attention most usually takes the form of subjecting garbage to the discoursive carpet bombing it deserves. A process I treat as a blood sport.
You say “Oh look, it’s the failed and repeatedly destroyed Pascal’s Wager garbage” How would you define what many of you so called wise guys on this site do when the lottery is maybe up to a billion dollars and your chances of winning are maybe 1 in 378,000,000 ? Know what ? I have no doubt that many of you on here “play the odds” Don’t you ? Be honest (if possible)………BUT on the other hand, it’s just magical fairy tales to play the odds that there truly is a Holy God that created us and wants to be with us for all of eternity….what comes to my mind when I read all of the negativeness of God’s existence are many things.1) you are too naive to realize that the human race is in a spiritual battle. “We wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places” It is obvious that you do not recognize the true enemy we have as human beings alive on this planet. Ever wondered where all the hatred, murders, fraud, greed, sexual immorality, rapist, choices for many different gods and much more come from ? 2) “Do not be deceived God is not mocked (which is what many of you do), for whatever a man sows, that will he also reap” 3) “For only the fool has said in his heart there is no God”………whether you believe it or not, whether you like it or not we will all stand before God on judgement day, and He will either say to you enter in with Me, or begone I never knew you…..but remember, you have a better chance of winning the lottery than the odds of this fairy tale. 4) “Professing themselves to be wise became fools”……all of your so called wisdom will be shattered on that day coming for each and every one of us.
No. It’s clear to me that it comes from humans. Although there are some other species of animals that engage in what can be described as rape and murder.
False equivalence, are you going to actually address the objections honestly or just pout?
Circular reasoning, and yawn…yet another unevidenced claim.
Ad hominem…and straight from the bible, thanks for using the original claim, and showing the bible is often irrational.
I am dubious you understand odds at all, but well done for recognising your endless unevidenced assertions are no different than any other “fairy tale”.
The same old evasive bs, demonstrate something, anything beyond bare subjective claims that this “day that you imagine is coming” for anyone?
The more you evade answering and resort to repetition the more it becomes clear you have an empty bag.
Thank you, that’s why it was a false equivalence.
Other animals have some autonomy of choice, just as we do, or at least perceive we do.
This strike me as just another example of the arrogance of human exceptionalism. It reminds me of this other guy who continually screams “FAKE” at anything that challenges his narrative…
Your idea, like most Christians, is to spread fear to convert others. That if you don’t believe in this god, then we will be tortured in a fiery dungeon for all of eternity. But that’s okay because god is an abusive and toxic parent. Yet, many of you preach that this is a religion of love and peace. It’s not peace or love if someone who loves you inflicts pain.
If a Christian husband tells his wife that if she doesn’t love or have sex with him, he’ll beat and murder her. What do you think she’s going to go do? She calls the cops on him and gets a restraining order. Files for divorce. That’s not love, that’s domestic violence. It just means her husband is some pos abuser deserving of going up on the Persistent Domestic Violence Offender Registry after he gets out of jail.
Your favorite character in the bible is no other than a monster. He is no god. He’s an asshole undeserving of being worshipped. Even if he were real, there’s no way in hell I’d ever worship your best buddy and be his slave for eternity. I’d rather rot in hell instead. That’s all your god has to offer. Slavery or torture. Neither is love.
I’m so glad that your god doesn’t exist. And seeing as you’re claiming that he does exist. Provide some scientific evidence. And seeing as you don’t have ANY evidence and just your word. I remain unconvinced. I do not believe a word that you say.
You said “Provide some scientific knowledge” If you want some scientific knowledge of things you are unaware of go to you tube and search for (20 of the top scientific facts in the Bible) and try listening thru the post before judging it.
It’s your claim champ, so you have to evidence it. No one is going to scour the internet for the unevidenced and irrational BS you are gullible enough to believe.
FYI New York exists as an objective fact, now just because it is real, and in the Spiderman movies, doesn’t make Spiderman real, and the same applies to the bible, though obviously it is also filled with claims that have been entirely falsified by science, like the Genesis creation myth, or the Noah flood myth, for example.
Soooo…. What you are saying is that you do not believe your god is ALL-KNOWING? Because if you are simply hedging your bets and believing in your god “just in case he is real”, then it stands to reason an all-knowing god would know what you are doing, right? Which means you seem to be suggesting we non-believing heathens should lie to ourselves and to others. and pretend to believe in an entity that MIGHT supposedly send us to some imaginary “paradise” after we die. Hmmmm….. …. I think I prefer sticking to just being honest with myself. I get a much greater peace of mind by doing that. Besides, I wouldn’t want your god to think I am a liar. He might think I would be too much competition for him and do horrible things to me. Thanks for the suggestion, though. Any other grand words of advice you would like to share?
…. I think I prefer sticking to just being honest with myself. I get a much greater peace of mind by doing that. Besides, I wouldn’t want your god to think I am a liar. He might think I would be too much competition for him and do horrible things to me. Thanks for the suggestion, though. Any other grand words of advice you would like to share?