Hell is also for fools

Wait… Poop > Cosmic Tree > Kyle?

Christ on a shit smacking cracker, it’s as though all of this claiming about divine concepts is just annoyingly pompous and dogmatic assertion.

Come on @Johnny, buddy and pal, save us from this carrousel of falsity and sequentially outline the evidence for the God of Abraham.

Otherwise… and gosh it’s so silly of me to say, but otherwise the rest of the world might get the impression that you don’t have any more rational basis for your god and what He’s done than anyone claiming anything similar.

We await with baited breath!

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And I am still waiting for Johnny to provide any valid evidence for this “god” mentioned word 4 from Genesis 1:1

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Or for the creation he keeps assuming we must assume happened. I suspect that waiting is all we will get from him.

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Here’s something to think about. Anyone can make up a deity and claim it created the universe. Pretty much the way the mythology of almost every religion claims. The Bhagavad Gita (Hinduism) came before Christianity and they claim their gods created the universe. Their claims are no more valid than that of the Christians or the Muslims because they too have never provided sufficient evidence. If a religion were to evidence it’s gods, it would be a fact and no longer a religion anymore because than almost everyone in the world would bend the knee in prayer.

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That is word 5 (created) from Genesis 1:1. I am following his recommendation, to progress from beginning to end. Still waiting for valid evidence of this “god” (word 4 genesis 1:1)

Not looking too good for Johnny

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Nah. I’ll pass. Even if it is real, I’m not much for worshipping stuff. Plus, my knees have gotten worse over the years, so kneeling for a prayer is not an activity in which I would be participating.

I think a better title might be Believing in Hell is also for fools, since there seems no rational or cogent reason for believing such an unevidenced fantasy.

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I always hated praying anyway. It doesn’t do jack shit. Anyone who tells you that a deity answered their prayers is lying.

I think it makes people feel better, but then that is either checked by reality and ignored with the old “god is mysterious” bs, or worse it feeds into their selection bias when things go their way.

I’ve just re-watched The Big Short, and now I’m watching Money Ball, it’s always baffling to me to see that people are stunned that maths and probability theory, are more reliable than gut feelings and emotion, and blind guesses based on personal subjective experience.

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While recovering from major surgery in 2010 I was in a double hospital room. It was unoccupied for a few days, then overnight this elderly gent was placed there., he had been hit by a car. It was night and with the drugs I was marinating in, never witnessed it. That morning three of his daughters (middle aged) showed up and the doctors were hounding them to consent to an operation. Because of their obvious clothing, they came from a very conservative religious nation. And because of their indoctrination, no one was willing to step forward and make a decision (a woman deciding on a man’s life?). They prayed. Eventually the eldest caved and consented. Apparently he was in a very bad way, they had a mobile operating room waiting outside in the hallway and set it up in moments. The privacy curtain went up, and I could not see any more. But next morning as I woke up, the place was clean, bed freshly made and not a sign of any occupancy.

And on the news that day was a brief mention that an elderly gent who had been hit by a car had died in the hospital.

Yea, count the hits and ignore the misses. Prayer does not work. Just go to any hospital chapel and see the steady flow of people praying, then later crying because of their lost one.

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Indeed…in fact it may do more harm than good

Edit Wishy washy woman

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According to the linear development of the fetus, our structure and form is built before our gender. This means that our nipples are created while we are still genderless.

So it makes no sense for a god to say that man was created first. What does make sense is that bronze-age man thought he was the center of the universe… and still does despite all the evidence to the contrary.

Nipples were created first and there is no god.

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Ancient man built a world picture on what evidence was on hand. Almost all never traveled more than 50 km from their homes, and to them the world was the arch of the sky and the ground below. They did not even know what was on the other side of the hill. And of course, there was the reliance on the supernatural to explain what they could not understand or explain.

I do not begrudge them, it is human nature to try to explain what is happening around them. But as science and exploration opened up the world and the cosmos, Bishop Usher’s dating of the universe was replaced by geological evidence. But the religious types clung to their ancient superstitions and ignorance. Observations confirmed the earth was not flat, but spheroid. And Nicolaus Copernicus proved that this earth was not the center of revolution and this universe. Out world view suddenly questioned if we were so special. Further discoveries made our planet even less important, we were just a little speck in a galaxy of over a hundred billion stars in a universe with over a hundred billion galaxies. I am being very conservative in the numbers.

But for some who are still clinging to ancient thoughts, the world is flat and we are god’s special people, in the middle of the universe.

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I’m afraid I failed to understand the point of your post.

Ha! When I’m at the poker table, there is no room for math. It’s all about reading people, spotting the tells, gut feelings, and all the other woo woo shit real poker players try to sell the ignorant.

Gut feelings: I poor term for what is actually data analysis (albeit, a typically pre-conscious exercise).

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Welcome, dorado!

Well, bags can’t hold cats for very long, anyway.

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If you can manage to hate the religion and not the people you will probably do fine as far as religion goes. Religion in most countries on this planet, be it Hinduism, Shamanism, Islam, Catholicism, Christianity, or whatever. They are unfounded belief systems that have been lying to people since the dawn of history. People get duped and that is the simple fact. When you grow up in a world where everyone around you believes in one thing or another, you are, quite simply, likely to adopt those beliefs. That’s the way the human condition is.

Now, with that said, the fact that you say you have found a way out of the shit and into the open air is probably something you should be happy about. You can’t blame people for wallowing in shit when shit is all they know. We tend to treat Theists, especially those with genuine questions and concerns, very respectfully. You will get yourself banned as soon as you utter mindless unsupported nonsense or engage in ad homonym attacks. The mods won’t put up with it.

As for your bigotry against homosexuals, that really says a lot more about you than them. What possible reason could you have for hating ‘ALL’ homosexuals. That is just pure ignorance. My guess is that you have never actually looked into homosexuality and do not understand it at all. From my readings, homosexuality is extremely normal and occurs in 8 to 10 percent of all mammals. If you happen to be a Bonobo, one of our closest relatives, " 75 percent of bonobo sex is nonreproductive and that nearly all bonobos are bisexual." The short reply to this is that you are being bigoted against something that is very natural. Biologically speaking and evolutionarily speaking there are good reasons for homosexuality. You might want to pull your head out of your ass and look around.

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Well, while it is arguably admirable that you can admit that you don’t know why, that in fact makes it even more asinine. Could it be that your own sexual identity is wavering enough that you are feeling threatened?
Usually the word epistemology is used in relation to religion and/or religious belief, or other philosophical areas.It is the practice of distinguishing justified belief. Simply put it is what you believe and why.
You might want to examine your beliefs more closely and ask yourself how you came to them…

Edit: who me?

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Well you are wrong. People can and do change all of the time. For example, when I first read your posts I thought you were just ignorant. I have changed my opinion and now I think you are just a troll :troll:

Edit: sheesh…

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