Or a crackpot. After rat spit’s thread I’m starting to think I’ve hit the crackpot. 
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Thank you for replying Johnny.
I admit I can not get past the first four words of Genesis 1:1.
I followed as you prescribed, to start at the very beginning. I have. But Genesis 1:1 begins with
In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.
So the word “God” is where I come to a halt. What is this god, can you offer any evidence this agent even exists? We can not move forward until this “god” thingy is addressed
Considering the source, the insults and accusations roll off my back like a duck with water. And it is noted I have initially treated you with civility. You have not responded the same. And my respect is a consequence on how I was treated. You start treating me poorly, I will reciprocate. If you are offended in any way, remember, you started this shit-show.
So here we are, mired at word 4 of Genesis 1:1 because you are not providing any evidence of this “god”.
And if we ever get past “god” then the next word is “created”. Buckle up Buckaroo, this is where I shift into high gear.
But I ask you Johnny, to move past the insults, accusations of cowardice (amusing since I am still here and in the game) and distractions, and deal directly with my request. Please provide evidence of this “god”.
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Can someone teach @Johnny to use the quote function. I mean with such a MASSIVE intelligence you could figure out the basic forum functions I would assume. I can’t even bother to read down to the actual non-response from him.
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His arm is probably blocking the fucking quote icon, as he slowly draws his finger along the words, and tries uncomprehendingly to mouth them noisily to himself. If you really want to fuck with him, and I know I do by now, start using neologisms.
I can almost picture the cunt Googling that one right now. I’m a bad bad man, but only when provoked rat_spit, so roll the fucking dice you cunt… 
Edit, sorry, no more posting while watching Frankie Boyle for me…
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Uh…I’m still waiting…
Edit: ( fingers drumming slowly on desk)
Any/all theists are walking definitions of arrogance and ignorance. This entire thread has been a fucking waste of time, it’s obvious that this person is too stupid to live without having a bible clutched to his chest.
You can’t fix stupid.
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Really? 
Really, what’s your point?
You’re stupid; that is my point.
Ah, there is material in my in tray …
14 years of dealing with your ilk informs me that matters go downhill rapidly after such a declaration. Let’s see how quickly the requisite prediction is fulfilled, shall we?
Quite simply, attempts at tone policing will not go down well here. It has long been an established practice here, to treat ideas as a free-fire zone for whatever invective the critic thereof chooses to deploy, in order to reinforce that the ideas in question are regarded as bad ideas. Of course, said invective is, when properly deployed, accompanied by reasons for said deployment of invective. Failure to address substantive issues simply because they are couched in prose involving forceful linguistic pyrotechnics, will again be frowned upon.
And the prediction above about matters going downhill rapidly has been fulfilled in short order.
In case you’re unaware of this, the regulars here have been seeing this brand of apologetic misrepresentation of our actual thinking on the matter for some time, in some cases, over a period of several decades. Indeed, your resurrection of this variant of the apologetic duplicity known as “atheists believe the universe came from nothing” is not merely duplicitous, but tiresomely predictable.
Strap yourself in, Looby Loo, you’re in for a hard ride.
Let’s deal with the “atheists believe something came from nothing” canard once and for all, shall we?
Item one. Atheists dispense with belief altogether. Instead, if they’re contemplating a postulate properly, they ask “what evidence exists in support of this postulate?”, and look to whichever discipline is supplying the evidence.
Item two. The people who REALLY think the universe came from “nothing”, are those supernaturalists who think their imaginary magic man from their favourite mythology, waved his magic todger and poofed the universe into existence from nothing. So even before I move on to the next items, this alone stuffs the “atheists think the universe came from nothing” excrement down the toilet and pulls the flush hard.
Item three. The question of the origin of the universe has nothing to do with atheism. This question is the remit of cosmological physics. And, once again, those of us who paid attention in class, turn to that discipline, and ask what postulates arise therefrom, and what evidence is supplied in support thereof.
Item four. No cosmological physicist presents the fatuous notion that the universe “came from nothing”. Instead, cosmological physicists postulate that testable natural processes, involving well defined entities and interactions, were responsible for the origin of the observable universe in its current form.
Item five. The question of the origin of the universe is an active research topic within the field of cosmological physics, and as a corollary, a number of hypotheses are extant in the field, with respect to the origin of the observable universe. Indeed, it’s a measure of how far cosmological physics has progressed, that researchers in the field are able to postulate a number of pre-Big-Bang cosmologies, and then work out how to test those cosmologies and the hypotheses underpinning them.
Item six. As an example of the ideas extant in the literature, I’m aware of two papers by Steinhardt & Turok, in which they propose a pre-Big-Bang cosmology centred upon braneworld collisions, and which possesses three elegant features. Namely:
[1] It provides a mechanism for the donation of energy to the newly instantiated universe, facilitating subsequent matter synthesis;
[2] It eliminates the singularity problem from standard Big Bang cosmology;
[3] It provides a testable prediction, namely that the power spectrum of primordial gravitational waves will take a specific form, with the graph skewed towards short wavelengths.
Indeed, [3] above is one of the reasons scientists have been labouring diligently, to produce operational gravitational wave detectors, precisely so that they can test this prediction, once they’ve learned how to distinguish between primordial gravitational waves and gravitational waves of more recent origin. The moment they learn to do this, the requisite tests will be conducted. Furthermore, if those tests reveal a power spectrum that matches the Steinhardt-Turok prediction, then Steinhardt & Turok walk away with the Nobel Prize for Physics.
Now, the two scientific papers I’m referring to above date from 2011, so as I write this, the requisite scientific research has been in place for over a decade. Yet despite this, despite the implications of said research, and despite the fact that I’ve been covering said research in some detail in various places over that time, I still keep seeing the same tired old garbage being resurrected by mythology fanboys on this topic. So frequently, indeed, over that past decade or more, that if I had been paid £10 for every time a mythology fanboy resurrected the “atheists believe the universe came from nothing” garbage and lies, the resulting funds would allow me to retire to a 200 foot gin palace in Monte Carlo harbour.
Indeed, I devoted some time to expounding on the research in question on the old version of this forum, and the requisite posts can be read here and here. You are advised to exercise diligence with respect to said posts. You will, in due course, learn that I have been somewhat prolific with respect to presenting scientific papers and their contents, in response to vacuous apologetic fabrications on the part of various mythology fanboys, and as a corollary of having exerted said effort, I take a dim view of both intellectual indolence and discoursive duplicity in response thereto.
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Okay, been trying to stay out of this, but… Goddamn… I’ve listened to broken records that are more informative and more entertaining than this guy. I swear, there is NO POSSIBLE WAY he (or anybody) could be as dense as he is presenting himself to be. Hell, even a bag full of DEAD MICE could have understood this by now. Namely…
@Johnny NOBODY really KNOWS how our universe and all within it came into being. PERIOD. And NOBODY here has claimed to know. And just because nobody knows how our universe started, IT DOES NOT MEAN you automatically get to claim some type of timeless non-corporeal supernatural undetectable god entity is responsible. (Well, you obviously CAN make the claim, but that claim does not mean shit.) In other words, it means YOU DO NOT KNOW THE ANSWER ANY MORE SO THAN THE REST OF US. So, please, go solicite your pseudo-supernatural-shit-soup-sandwich-samples in a location where those of a more malleable mentality might openly embrace your spewings of unfiltered sewage.
Disclaimer: I am well aware my response will have no effect on our darling Johnny. I replied only for the benefit of those who read but do not participate.
(Edit to apply for Troll Hunting License.)
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Wait, are you saying that if I can show that you have no answer for something, that I don’t just get to pull some horseshit out of my ass and have you and everyone else accept it as fact? What about…when you are wrong, doesn’t that automatically make me right? OK, one more…If you say you don’t accept something as true, does that mean that you believe that the opposite is true?..
Well, while I wait for your measured response, I think I’ll gather up my Troll hunting gear and find some"scent neutralizer"…
Oh yeah…I’m still waiting for an answer, any answer, to my politely and succinctly worded question(s) to your boy…
Edit/ phallic fallacy fantasy
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Why do you keep telling me what I believe? Are you fucking stupid? Can you demonstrate that I believe “It happened on its own.” Can you demonstrate any evidence at all for a “supernatural god?”
Would you learn to use the quote function so we know what in the hell you are saying and to whom?
Highlight any text you want to quote and then simply click on the “quote box” that appears. It’s pretty simple.
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Excuse me, but do you have a moment to talk about our beloved universe creator Kyle? He is a supernatural Ginormous Invisible Blue Bunny outside of space and time, and he lives in my basement. (Outside of space and time, of course.) Anyway, Kyle spends five days a week eating incomprehensible amounts of Dark Matter from between all the galaxies. On the sixth day, Kyle enters his cosmic potty and spends the entire day pooping out another universe. Then he rests on the seventh day, only to wake up the next day to start the whole process over again. Although, he does take a longer break every year during the Easter weekend to assist the Easter Bunny with basket deliveries and such.
(Edit for dose of ExLax.)
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Obviously you did not (could not) understand my answer/
Now, do fuck off with your dishonesty and obvious trolling.
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What blasphemy! You would be burned at the banana tree if you were in this neighborhood. Everyone knows the universe grew from the cosmic banana tree. We are atoms in an ever expanding Big Yellow Omniscient Banana. BYOB!
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Aw, c’mon, Cog… Really? You know how upset Kyle gets when you start talking about The Great Cosmic Banana Tree. Gets his appetite all screwed up, and causes him to poop out all sorts of fucked up anti-universes, bi-polar universes, and schizo-universes. You have any idea what kind of mess it leaves in my basement when that happens? Dammit!.. (stomping off to get mop and bucket)…
Everybody poops. Poop is the essence of life. Poop helps remind you that you are in a constant state of change. Out with the old, in with the new. Everybody loves poop. Spread The Word. ‘Poop!’ Blessed is he who shares the poop. (In any universe.) Nothing is sure but death, taxes, and poop. Have a great poop!
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What creation, there’s no objective evidence anything was created.
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