Would you like me to preach about Santa Claus to you? How stupid & absurd would that belief sound to you? Sounds crazy doesn’t it?
Now apply that thought from the point of view from an Atheist towards your own beliefs. Just pointing that out.
@nonselcei its not the first time Allah communicated with humans, other prophets were also given revelations too like Jesusm Moses, Abraham, Noah etc… The method has been usually always via Angel Gabriel approaching them first. I guess humans need something to visualize first before they can comprehend the message sent through inspirations to their heart by God directly.
Now to your point of distortion, the words sent to prophet Muhammad were verbatim learnt or transfered to other humans with strong emphasis on not adding/ removing anything. All new and old verses were memorized and written down and repeated in prayers 5 times a day from that day till now.
Why do common men need God for? For day to day problems to be solved, having a security of being protected from any mishap. Knowing if anything bad happens someone is out there who listens and is not helpless and gives me strength to cope with it? That is satisfying for majority of human beings, except for some who need to know the essence of the creator to satisfy them.
Prophet Muhammad was even raised up in his life up to the 7th heaven to meet the Almighty Creator. He came back and told us of the Unseen things he saw including God Almighty.
@CyberLN ofcourse, we have text to know more about it. There’s a huge collection of Islamic literature that goes beyond Quran and has stored information of all the interactions of the prophet with the people over the period of 25+ years, Information of all the people (multiple narrations at times) who wrote with their biographies their character etc. There’s a term “chain of narration” which is common in Islamic literature coz we don’t rely on heresy. We ask for chain of narrations that go back to the prophet himself. Its a fool proof method of preserving the text that goes beyond Quran.
@MrDawn the real eye awakening is the death, everything becomes crystal clear. At least death is undeniable and we all can agree on.
This response did not answer my question. I’ll, repeat it: Do you understand that there is a distinction between knowing and believing ?
You seem to avoid direct answers to direct questions frequently. You need to reply to what another poster is actually saying / asking. Otherwise, it will become obvious that your purpose here is not to debate, it is to preach.
If we (the moderators) determine that your presence here to promote a religion but not to debate it, your account runs the risk of suspension.
Sorry to disappoint you, but neuroscience beat you to the punch a long time ago.
“We measured 900 seconds of brain activity around the time of death and set a specific focus to investigate what happened in the 30 seconds before and after the heart stopped beating,” said Dr Ajmal Zemmar, a neurosurgeon at the University of Louisville, US, who organized the study.
“Just before and after the heart stopped working, we saw changes in a specific band of neural oscillations, so-called gamma oscillations, but also in others such as delta, theta, alpha, and beta oscillations.”
Brain oscillations (more commonly known as ‘brain waves’) are patterns of rhythmic brain activity normally present in living human brains. The different types of oscillations, including gamma, are involved in high-cognitive functions, such as concentrating, dreaming, meditation, memory retrieval, information processing, and conscious perception, just like those associated with memory flashbacks.
“Through generating oscillations involved in memory retrieval, the brain may be playing a last recall of important life events just before we die, similar to the ones reported in near-death experiences,” Zemmar speculated. “These findings challenge our understanding of when exactly life ends and generate important subsequent questions, such as those related to the timing of organ donation.”
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@CyberLN seems like there’s a new kind of a threat for account suspension everyday.
@MrDawn meaning no death? 
And you still didn’t answer my question despite my repeating it for you.
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@CyberLN I can also say my questions were not responded according to how I wanted to hear. You can’t satisfy everyone.
@CyberLN of course first step is believing, we as humans don’t even buy from a sales person if we don’t trust/ believe in them being legit.
The poster known as observer-x is taking a few days off.
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It’s obvious I would accept any syllogism if it was sound, and the word very in that sentence, suggest your memory is dubious, but this doesn’t alter the fact your arguments were relentlessly irrational. However by all means present this sound syllogism for a deity, that the entire theistic world seems to have missed.
This is a straw man, I have made no such claim.
Again another straw man, a clue here is you telling we what I assume.
You either don’t know what logical means, or you don’t know what closed minded means, here’s a clue, they’re mutually exvlusive.
You’re in a debate forum genius, argument for the sake of it is precisely what it’s for.
Circular reasoning fallacy.
Another circular reasoning fallacy.
Thats true of mermaids and unicorns of course, and any non-existent thing.
Nonsense, you’re using a form of Pascal’s wager, it is very poorly reasoned, I’d explain why, but only you don’t know, and you’ve made it clear you wish to revel in that ignorance.
I don’t believe you, and id ask you to support this absurd assertion with something approaching objective evidence, but we both know you won’t attempt an honest redponse.
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I don’t think he knows what knowlege means, or has any clue about pholosophical epistemology.
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Circular arguments are fallacious, they are illogical, by definition. You’ve used several, and I’ve pointed them out. And it’s you who is being closed minded, so more ironic projection from you.
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Sorry, but what the fucking hell are you talking about? I suspect you didn’t understand the cartoon one bit.
I used to sale vacuums, and the best sales happened when I demonstrated a product, and of course offered a competitive price. In addition offered support for the product in the future. For instance repair services, parts etc…
I do take supplements, and I usually llke to obtain samples of a product, and I am willing to pay a small amount for a small bottle or a set of tablets if I think the product has merit. And I will see what it will do for me.
I am not sure this is quite the same as what religion is selling. Most religions have an all or none deal. Is is possible to sample Islam without any commitment? Can I get a refund if I don’t like the product Islam, or am displeased in some way? What about support…like if Islam breaks down in the future…can it be repaired?
My my analogy with supplements, its possible to get undesired effects, toxicity…for example silver supplements can cause one’s skin to turn blue. Some people experiment with various philosophies, and it is possible to get ‘toxicity’, via charlatans, imposters etc…
No it isn’t, the first step is understanding the claim fully, the next step is that sufficient and sufficiently objective evidence is demonstrated to make belief reasonable.
You’re simply peddling presuppositionalism.
You can’t demonstrate that what you’re selling exists, or even that it’s possible. You can’t even offer rational arguments ffs. Why would I trust you then, when every bat shit crazy peddler of snake oil and superstion has achieved this for their superstitious wares.
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Islam is quite similar to Christianity. I must admit that I don’t fully understand the historical conflict between the two religions.
Intuition is a form of knowledge that does not pass through a conscious cognitive process. Not just that—many times, this form of knowledge is not compatible with conscious thinking and often takes place in dreams or altered mind states.
The interesting part about intuition is that, while we classify it into categories such as “scientific” intuition and “premonitory” intuition, this distinction exists only in our minds, as both follow similar patterns.
Sometimes, scientific intuition manifests in dreams, which is an altered mind state. Other times, it is just a feeling that drives consciousness to develop an idea. If you observe how premonition and other divinatory techniques are used across different cultures, you will notice that these abilities often manifest in altered mind states—through the use of drugs, dreams, objects, etc.
So, while we make a distinction between intuition in different areas, the reality is that it is more or less the same process applied to different purposes.
But what is intuition? Intuition is the use of feelings to obtain knowledge, which is then verified through reason. Not all feelings are intuitions, and not all intuitions are the same—this area is very complex.
Sometimes, intuition manifests as unconscious reasoning processes that, for some reason, we cannot process consciously. Other times, intuition seems to be instantaneous, giving an alert about something or someone. There are many kinds of intuition, and they may have very different sources.
Anyway, I think our society is not paying enough attention to this phenomenon, which, as I have shown, is at the foundation of our technological advancement. And not just that—throughout history, all societies have relied heavily on intuition.
Let me remind you of the syllogism:
Premise 1: All emergent properties are based on underlying fundamental properties in matter.
Premise 2: If qualia is an emergent property, there must be fundamental properties in matter from which it emerges.
Conclusion: Therefore, there must be fundamental properties in matter that produce qualia.
Quite obvious, right?
It implies that everything possesses a subjective dimension or fundamental subjective properties, ultimately leading to panpsychism.
If you apply the same reasoning to the combination problem, then suddenly, the idea of God becomes not just plausible but even probable.
So, I think there is an ideological barrier, not a logical one, preventing many people from accepting the possibility of God. (I replaced the word ‘idea’ with ‘possibility’ because one doesn’t necessarily have to believe in God to acknowledge that His existence is possible or plausible.)