Sigh….you really seem to struggle answering direct questions with direct answers.
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Those are mutually exclusive, since you are not an atheist.
Which principle of logic does it violate?
Oh wait, you’re using the word rational as vapid rhetoric again, right? 
Great so you can tell me which principle of logic is being violated by showing compassion or caring for others in a purely altruistic manner? Otherwise this is nonsense.
PLease explain which principle of logic is violated by my holding subjective morals?
Obviously because this would cause unnecessary suffering, and I care about the suffering of others, obviously you don;t, and need to be told by archaic superstitions to be a decent person, I don’t.
Don’t you care how your actions affect others? Well I guess we are just different then.
No it isn’t, at all. You mean you find it challenging because you don’t care about other people perhaps?
I care about the suffering of others, which principle of logic does that violate? More importantly how does deluding myself in an unevidenced deity make you moral, all you;re doing is blindly and dogmatically following rules from archaic supersitons, being told how to behave is not morality.
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I think this is deceptive. Religion is prevalent when people suffer. People suffer more in less developed nations, so people are more religious in less developed nations. Obviously, crime rates are higher in less developed nations.
In nations that already have high living standards, people don’t need religion. So they are less inclined to believe because they don’t need it.
So… I don’t think that religion causes problems; religion just helps people when they have problems, and people, as always, forget what helped them when times become better, leading to new hard times.
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This is a serious matter. Please explain to me the rational argument you would give to someone who chooses to seek pleasure for themselves without concern for the suffering of others. I would appreciate a detailed explanation.
You claimed atheists have no basis for morality, yet not one country with the highest numbers of atheists appears in the list of the five countries with the highest murder rates globally, so answer the question please:
Do you think murder is immoral? If you do then your claim was demonstrably wrong.
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I made no such claim, so that’s another dishonest straw man fallacy to deflect from your claim. Now once again here is your claim:
Which principle of logic are you claiming is being violated by an atheist having morality or being moral?
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Which principle of logic justifies morality?
I’m serious. Give me an answer.
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Oohhhhhhh, @Quim ……are you going to walk away from the question I asked?
Ok … i will try again…
Because nobody is going to punish you for your actions if you don’t get caught.
Is this the kind of answer you expected from me, or do I need to try again?
I never made that claim, now please address your claim:
Which principle of logic are you claiming is being violated by an atheist having morality or being moral?
Please don’t repeat your lie a third time, as I made no claims about morality being rational, as anyone can see for themselves. Show some integrity for once please.
So as well as telling us whether you think murder is immoral, you can also tell us whether you think lying is immoral, as you seem to lie a great deal on here?
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Are you suggesting that feelings of shame and guilt only occur if one is caught? Or are you suggesting that feelings of shame and guilt occur only for those who have god(s)? Are you suggesting that self flagellation is the domain only of theists?
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You learn that from your parents regardless of which religion you are brought up with. All animals that live in social groups learn that.
You absolutely do not need any notion of God to learn to behave in a group.
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Sadly, I think that individuals can remove these feelings from themselves by progressively eliminating more moral values from their lives. So, yes, I believe that you can escape your inner guilt. Of course, there is a deeper price to pay, but we slide so softly and slowly that we don’t notice how horrible we have become until it is already too late. I’m afraid that if we remove the notion of a clear punishment for our actions, we will inevitably fall into this hole in the end.
I believe that the social values of a gorilla group are not entirely suitable for sustaining our human society. While there may be some basic similarities, we require something more than just the instinctive fundamental principles of animal groups to live in a civilized community.
Religions are the common denominator in all human societies, so I respectfully disagree with your statement.
Why would I answer a question about a claim I never made, when you are lying as if I made the claim? You made a claim, here it is:
I ask again… Which principle of logic are you claiming is being violated by an atheist having morality or being moral?
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Have you heard of cognitive trade of hypothesis? Have listened to any primatologists?
Only one branch of that common denominator developed familial terminology into their belief system, so when applied to my explanation it does not disprove my notion. And what I’m saying has been observed.
Robert Sapolsky is a very good starting point.
Here is an awesome series from him.
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That’s a lie and a load of bullshit. There’s a thing called the law and it applies to everyone. Speaking of the law, I noticed a majority of prisoners find god in prison. Wouldn’t you say the fault lies with most Christians? What about Nazism? Atheists didn’t wipe out 6 million Jews in Europe.
Claim. Provide evidence for this assertion.
Wow, you just cant stop with your atheophobic remarks. What objective evidence can you provide for this statement? Let me guess, you have none.
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Wow dude. I’m having trouble not calling you a Nazi right now. You sound just like one. Hitler pretty much said something very similar when he said his Nazi’s were doing the work of “god”.
Another lie.
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You might fall into this hole of your making, I won’t.
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Stop making assumption about the morality of others based solely on your own prejudices.
Fixed.
Stop speaking for others.
Maybe some people are such shitty human beings that they need the threat of punishment to avoid actions like rape and murder, but I do not.
That’s not what he said though is it, all animals that have evolved to live in societal groups must necessarily be able to differentiate between acceptable (right) and unacceptable (wrong) behaviours. Humans have also evolved brains enabling is to be self aware and to examine very complex ideas, thus our grasp of morality can be equally complex, but it remains subjective, it cannot be otherwise.
Indeed, and we need something more than blind adherence to archaic superstition from homophobic, misogynistic and barbaric bronze age patriarchal Bedouin societies.
No they’re not, I already offered you the top five examples of the most atheistic nations and not one of them is in the top five countries with the highest per capita murder rates, you’re facile prejudice against atheism is just simple bigotry.
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Wars have not been fought over land or natural resources since the Crusades. Beliefs have been the root cause of countless wars throughout history. Even Putin with his modern BELEIF that the Ukrane is part of Russia, is basing his war on a belief, and nothing to do with what is real in the world. North Korea separates itself from the West based on ideological differences, (Beliefs). Beliefs about N. Korea. Beliefs about the West. Beliefs about the world. Beliefs about their leader. If N. Korea attacks S. Korea it will not be to gain land or resources. It will be because of beliefs. Wars have not been fought over land or resources for eons. Beliefs are at the core of every good war.
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