Apathism is not a response to “What do you believe.” It is an avoidance of the proposition “God exists.” All you have done is stick your fingers in your ears and sang “La la la la la la la la , I don’t care.” It does not change the fact that the proposition is either true or false. When a Christian tells you that their god is real and your nonbelief will cause you to burn in hell, you either believe the claim or you do not. Be as apathetic as you like, there is still a reaction to the claim. What do you believe? What can you possibly believe that leads you to apathy? Apathetic atheists believe it is quite obvious that God does not exist , but that there is no point debating it. Still, here you are debating? So, it places you in the camp of apathetic theist. Why else would you be talking about something not believed in.
What you have said is that you believe or disbelieve in a god for no reason at all because you are apathetic. “La la la la la al la I can’t hear you” argument for apathy. Atheists do not believe in God or gods and this is generally based on a lack of evidence for the God things. As the god claims, one after the other and shown to be flase, based on fallacies, or simply not important, the atheists discover there is no actual reason to believe. What belief leads you to apathy ‘a lack of interest, enthusiasm, or concern.’ Why would anyone professing to be apathetic spend so much time in theise discussions. You are a trolling liar.
That’s not what I meant. I said I became an atheist then an apatheist meaning one is an atheist but it is no longer part of my identity or enter my thoughts. What you’re describing is someone that hasn’t considered the idea or like an agnostic maybe. An apatheist would be an atheist but wouldn’t be on this forum because he doesn’t center his life around this (lack of) belief in any way, he has just moved on. Consider what a baby raised in a vacuum would be…he would have no concept of God or theism or atheism…the idea probably wouldn’t enter his head without spirits intervening in his life to give him that idea.
I’m not trolling, elsewhere I had said I became an apatheist after being an atheist as I had accepted god didn’t exist and moved on with my life BUT 15 years later became a theist again, having been raised a believer.
Uh…I don’t even care if I care how much I don’t care if I don’t believe in caring whether or not I don’t believe…it’s called”abadaba-apathetatheistic-atheisiology…
I have several responses:
A baby raised in a vaccume would be dead. Human life can not survive in a vaccume.
All babies are atheists by virtue of the fact off being born into sin. (Sin, specifically defined as sthe absence of a god belief. All babies burn in hell unless they have been baptized. The bible and God think nothing of killing off kids and babies. They are not yet human.)
There is such a thing as an unintentional atheist. People who do not believe based on never hearing a god claim. Non-belief, all non-belief, is what religion defines as atheism (these are non-explicit atheists.). Once a subject is exposed to the claim, he acceps it (believes in it) and becomes a theist, or rejects it (does not believe in it) and becomes an explicit atheist.
There is no position calle apatheist. It does not address the question, 'Does god exist." It is simply an argument from “La la la la la la la la la , I can’t hear you.” You are merely asserting you are a theist with no good reason for your belief.
Not to be quarrelsome, but in fact, I do center my life on those ideas and things which comport with reality. Since I view the beliefs of many to be beliefs which do not comport with reality, then it would not be inconsistent for me to exchange my lack of belief with that stated center…
Yeah I mean many people do whether they debate about it constantly or not. I went into deep depression after I lost my faith in God as it shattered my worldview. I wasn’t hardcore Christian either but it was somehow fundamental to my being that I had always taken for granted to be true
Skriten, I don’t find you quarrelsome. I may not have been clear. I’ll clarify. It seemed the person I quoted was intimating that folks who post here frequently spend all their time and energy waving a/n a/theist flag. My comment to him meant that I think folks have very full and varied lives, that flag waving isn’t all they do.
Such is the damage religion can cause. When I realized I was an atheist a great burden was lifted off my shoulders, life is good and I am enjoying this freedom from artificial guilt, shame, and fear.
So you were buttfucked like the Angels of Sodom and gamorrah? Your wife had her stomach cut open and your unborn child was dashed upon rocks? Jesus spit in your eye and cured you of blindness? You gave everything you own to the poor and like a lily Jesus has provided for you? You had lepricy a Jesus glued your nose back onto your face? You were paralized and then made to walk by the healing hands of Jesus? You magically cured your bleeding wife of her period? You prayed and the magical Jesus cured you of dropsy? You were posessed by a demon and Jesus performed an exorcism on you? You had seven demons in you and like Mary, Jesus cast them out, he put them into a herd of burning bushes and shoved them all over a cliff? You were in the Market place when Jesus came up and began beating you with a whip? You were walking on water when you began to sink, then Jesus extended his hand and you started to float again? You were sitting in a outdoor coffee shop when 500 zombies came walking up the street and the sky turned dark? You invited Jesus to dinner and he turned water into wine for you? You took Jesus fishing and became amazed at how quicly he could fill a fishing net? You saw Jesus talking to a tornado like Pastor Mayjune Catubig and calm the storm? You went on a picnic with Jesus, forgot the food, but he managed to feed you with loaves and fishes anyway? What exactly was it you experienced?
This is a 100% norma reaction to any major life changing event. The loss of a job. The loss of a spouse, a child, a parent. The destruction of a home in a fire, flood, or falling plane, etc. Any major life changing event has this effect on humans. IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH GOD OR RELIGION
Religion usurps common everyday human emotion and attributes it to their magical diety. Negative life chaning events are nearly always met with depression. In my role as a university counselor in Korea, I frequently dealt with Culture Shock, the depression following leaving one’s own country to live in another. You have said absolutely NOTHING here. You are attributing a normal human reaction to a mystical cause and that is just bullshit.
Every single line of the Bible happened to me…what do you think? I already gave my experience report in the first post, that is what the title of this thread is about
Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha … From your first post>>>
My heart caught on fire for 3 days* Bullshit!
“I saw Jesus with eyes of fire and fell flat on my face after hearing a voice like Ezekiel did.”.
Then you are fucking delusional.
Later I sat in throne next to God" Your comments are more stupid than the ones I came up with and I was trying.
I’ve seen many other supernatural events/beings like shadow people. How in the fuck does one see the supernatural when it is supernatural? Do you know what ‘supernatural’ means?
Supernatural: Some force beyond scientific understanding or the laws of nature. How in the hell would you even know it is a force? If science can not see it or its manifestations, what reason is there to assume it is there outside of delusional people insisting they saw something. Give me one example of a surpernatural event that can be explained by a supernatural being. Sheeeesh…Trolling Trolling Trolling…;.
It’s not bullshit it is called Morningstar, 3 days in heart of the earth, sign of Jonah (like him starting fire in whale he was in for 3 days), etc… it is documented in Bible and other places as spiritual experience as part of what is called the overcoming/victory.
I’m delusional because I had a vision described in Bible? It says believers will see God and Jesus like i did. Doesn’t make sense. I’m not lying either. But I guess that must be the only options when experience report doesn’t match your narrow view of reality.
Supernatural refers to spiritual world and yes I can see it. Plenty of people have seen shadow people…you might be able to if you stay awake for a few days. They’re described in religious texts all over. I’ve seen a lot of other stuff you would just say I’m crazy if I talked about like gnomes.
Obviously you don’t know shit about how science works or what evidence is. I reject your argument because for the hundredth time there is no evidence for the fairy tales you believe in. You’re are arguing from a belief standpoint, a very absurd belief standpoint. You keep using the bible as evidence, it is a claim not evidence. You are not listening to any of us. What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence.