OK. I’ll try again:
The bible is very clear that god is the creator of all evil (and everything else). So why does it seem you are telling us the opposite?
Exactly. A person can “claim” anything. A person may say “I’m a prophet” BUT are they? And how do you tell?
You nailed it! Evidence - good evidence! Not just - “because I said god said”
What kind of evidence would you need from a person to prove to you they are a messenger from god before you accept it and kill another person? (believing it’s a message from god). I hope I’m clear.
If you believed there is no pronoun for god; why would you use one?
Seriously, you typed two characters (“he”) to represent god as a pronoun (something you told us was impossible), to save yourself from typing 3 characters (“God”)?
a thousand years ago it would’ve been hard to tell what a real evidence should look like, because they were a lot of magicians at the time, that could deceive the eyes of people, but god knows what to show to make you know the difference, so i would know when i’m convinced.
but in my situation i believe that god exist, i don’t know, like 100% he does exist.
believe means you’re at least not 100% sure. we bet in life on a lot of thing we don’t know. but if you’re gonna kill someone you’re gonna need i hell of good evidence.
Yes. I agree. Thousand/s year ago it would have been hard. There wasn’t the same technology OR even the understanding of how humans think (mental illnesses) or physical diseases (epilepsy) …so they “guessed”. They did their best AND some took advantage- others didn’t “knowingly” take advantage - they could have had other things influencing them (example drugs from mushrooms ). Some could have lied. Some may have felt a real need to protect their tribe and stories often help (tell your kids there is a lake monster so they don’t swim without an adult around)…
We have magicians today. I like them. I’ll watch a show and think “how’d they do that? That’s crazy!!! Amazing! “. I love that stuff. It’s fun!
I’m just re-quoting this:
god knows what to show to make you know the difference, so i would know when i’m convinced.
We all know when we are convinced of something. You and I seem to have that in common - good evidence! The “higher the stakes” (eg. Kill someone) there better be “good HIGH standard evidence”
(because it’s another person’s $40-50 and it’s theirs AND I have no right to take it, it would be stealing… example before about our life here).
So for me, god hasn’t shown me anything yet. Has he shown anything to you?
If you need a break - no worries. We can talk tomorrow or whenever. It’s up to you.
Actually i can’t say nothing to describe god, for example : “god will reward good people”
i’m using simple future tense here, since god doesn’t work in time, and time means nothing to him, because he created it in the first place, is the sentence then wrong ? how can i talk then ?
what is wrong with using “he” ? i think you have problem with women, are you a women ? cause you asked me earlier about why i didn’t mention womens !
@Nogba
I’m not ignoring your latest message. I seriously can’t understand it. It seems like gibberish. I understand English is not your first language; but right or wrong, that is the method of communication we use here.
i believe that god doesn’t show miracles to anybody anymore, only relatively implicit verses to stringify the belief.
in quran chapter 2 verse 210 god sais this :
Allah = The God.
Are they waiting for Allah ˹Himself˺ to come to them in the shade of clouds, along with the angels? ˹If He did˺, then the matter would be settled ˹at once˺. And to Allah ˹all˺ matters will be returned ˹for judgment˺.
That verse would definitely fit people. I’ve only talked to people and interacted with people, so god would, (for me) have to do something beyond something person can do.
Say the scripture was right - and If Allah did a mass “revealing” the matter would be settled.
To me, that sounds good! I would have evidence (like, really good demonstrable evidence) that Allah is real as described (perhaps) by some people. I would say to Nyar (hehehehe) “look!!! Do you see THAT! Is that my imagination???” And Ny would say “NO WAY! I SEE THAT TOO!”
So having evidence for god by god would be a great place to start. I still can make a decision. I think, at least through the Old and New Testaments that “Satan” knew god existed (I don’t believe Satan is anymore real though - same evidence required) BUT just using the books - AND Satan still had a choice.
I’d like that evidence first. Then I can make a choice.
as i said you’re only judged on what you believe, lets not restart the conversation all over again, if you don’t believe that god exist, you don’t have to worry, just worry about what you believe.
if someone believe that god exist for certain, and says he doesn’t, quran says he will be in hell for eternity.
So you have no evidence or argument then, just a vapid repetition of your original claim.
You gave no answer, just repeated your unevidenced claim, again I ask, why would I care what is claimed to be forbidden by unevidenced archaic superstitions? Do please actually address the question honestly, don’t simply repeat your unevidenced belief.
Again you have ignored my question, and simply repeated your unevidenced belief.
This was your claim…
I asked what this hyperbolic rhetoric had to do with abortion, please offer some cogent candid answer, instead of vapid rhetoric.
I understood your claim perfectly, and asked what objective evidence can you demonstrate for any deity?
Your question is meaningless speculation if you have none, your ball.
What objective evidence can you demonstrate for any deity?
Atheism isn’t an argument, atheism is defined as the lack or absence of belief in any deity or deities, nothing more.
What baby? Abortion terminates a foetus. Why do you keep lying that I am killing anthying? No one has to have a abortion if they don’t want one. You’re the one trying to dictate to women how their bodies should be used.
What the fuck are you talking about? I’ve made no such claim? That’s compete nonsense .
Your endless unevidenced rhetoric is tedious and dishonest, and your utter ignorance of the complex moral issues here is palpable, making your claim hilariously ironic.
1.What objective evidence can you demonstrate for any deity?
2. Why should I care what you claim a deity wants if you have no objective evidence for any deity?
Start there, and please stop with your endless hyperbole and rhetoric…
@Nogba
An endless stream of bullshit. One inane assertion after the next. You get the No God But Allah reference right? This turkey has his head buried so far up his ass that his ears are full of shit. He can’t hear you.