Akiane's Story Proves Atheists Wrong

@Henry_Shymexx

They believe christians won’t be religious if they weren’t indoctrinated by their parents during childhood.

Who says that? Nobody says that. Although one’s level of religiosity is definitely affected by external influences, an equally, or perhaps more, important aspect is the personal experience.

But the story of Akiane Kramaric who was born to Atheists parents absolutely debunks that idea,

Why are you using the word ‘debunk’ as if all the atheists in the world claimed such ridiculous crap? Hardcore religious people leave religion regardless of whether they were indoctrinated or not and same goes to some atheists as well who join religions regardless of whether their parents were atheists or religious to begin with.

because despite the fact that she was brought up and homeschooled by her atheists parents with virtually no other external influence, she wasn’t just religious but her extraordinary experiences as a little child inspired the conversion of her atheists’ parents and made them to believe in God.

Really? So parents are the only influence in one’s life? You’re claiming there was no external influence yet it seems like you have no idea about what comes under this term. Let’s see, media, television, books (any kind, school books, story books, books at home), relatives, friends.

Thus, your idea that Akiane had no external influence in her life is invalid. You’re not Akiane and you were not present with her 24/7. You don’t know what books she read, what kinda friends she had, what kinda shows she watched on TV and what kinda thoughts she had in her mind. So you have no idea about what kind of influence she had. Even if she had a Christian friend, she’d hide it from her parents out of fear that she’s going against them by having a religious friend. But Akiane’s own words cannot be trusted either in this case as this all happened when she was too young. So, subjectivity will come in and make the results invalid and unreliable.

At the tender age of 4, Jesus appeared to her and said He would teach her how to draw, and He did as it was through her that Jesus blessed the modern world with a portrait of what He actually looked like while He was human on Earth, which she eventually made at the age of eight.

No, sorry, absolutely biased and unreliable because the child is too young. Who reported all this narrative? The parents? Even more biased. As for what she saw and how, I do extensive research in psychology and religion so a quick fact for you, one cannot see in their dreams what they have never seen before. The human brain is so powerful it can attach the hair of one guy to the body of another guy and make up a human being appearing in your dream. The fact that the child knew that there was a historical figure called Jesus is the very proof that she already had some knowledge about this person. Also, you cannot know something you’ve never known before. So, the child definitely heard of the name ‘Jesus’ in order for someone in her dream to claim to be ‘Jesus’. These are psychology facts, believing them or ignoring them won’t change the facts.

However knowing how some atheists reason, with an orientation extremely inclined to discrediting any story that speaks in favor of religion or God, such as those in the Bible, especially with the fiction card, it’s important to note Akaine Kramarik’s story is not fictional or recorded in the Bible but a true modern day story. She’s a real human being that exists and she’s even made an appearance in the Oprah Winfrey show among others.

Fiction card? Have you ever seen someone saying “ah no, Jesus was fiction, you’re all wrong!”. It doesn’t matter whether Akiane’s story is recorded in Bible or not, nobody cares where it is recorded. What you’ll hear instead is the ‘lack of probability’. So, for example, the likelihood of the Great Flood happening is probably 0.000001%. This is because there’s no such thing as certainty as we have to talk in terms of probability. So only hardcore atheists would say something definitely doesn’t exist with absolute certainty. Anyhow, the lack of probability remark is backed up by evidence of all kinds, including archaeological, to conclude that a story either never happened at all or didn’t happen in the way it is claimed.

Her incredible story and portraits including that of Jesus could easily be confirmed via Google search, Wikipedia or even her own website.

No, there’s nothing incredible in her story. Every religion has these kinds of stories. In Islam, children see their supposed prophet Muhammad in dream and in Christianity people see Jesus. The only difference is, people who understand the human brain and how deceptive it can be never interpret any dream as real or as a divine message. They know it’s nothing more than a dream. If it was a sighting outside of dream, then we know from psychological findings that there’s something called ‘hallucination’ and it’s dangerously real (by the way, if you want to know how real these hallucinations are, try taking a party drug called LSD, and believe me, you’ll be seeing Jesus everywhere, even in your bed)

There is an actor whose name escapes me who I once described as having a face like a peeled penis. I was watching TV with mum at the time. She was not amused.

I don’t think I’m allowed to post the female equivalent :innocent:

Why is it that every image of Jesus, appears to have him looking like either an 80s Swedish Tennis Player or someone that would have fitted in perfectly to the band Spandou Ballet…

Not to mention how often this middle eastern man of Jewish ancestry, is portrayed as a white skinned, blonde haired, blue eyed caucasian. One more reason that Joseph, wouldn’t have been able to tut loud enough at that young minx of a wife Mary’s explanation of her unplanned and unexpected pregnancy.

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That must have been an awkward conversation…

M - Joseph, I’m pregnant
J - What, but we never… heyyy hold on a sec…
M - But I’m still a virgin!
J - Err… come again!!!
M - I’m still a virgin, it’s god child!
J - God’s child?!
M - Yes!!!
J - Who’s this god?
M - He’s a wizard, he created everything!
J - Including you? That’s kinda incestuous…
M - No, it doesn’t count
J - So where is he
M - Everywhere but no where…
J - OK… shouts to roman legionaire this one’s a bit drunk…

Joseph…"Let me get this straight, you’re pregnant?

Mary…“Yes”

Joseph…“And, you’re a virgin?”

Mary…“Yes”

Joseph…"And you were fucked by a GOAT?!!!

Mary…“Ghost”

Joseph …“Ah, that makes more sense.”

:grin:

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Joseph…"Let me get this straight, you’re pregnant?

Mary…“Yes”

Joseph…“And, you’re sure it’s mine?”

Mary…“Yes”

Joseph…"Fuck! We better get married quick!!! What do we tell the families???

Mary…“I have an idea…the bigger the lie…the more it’s repeated…”

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I find it strange that people are so willing to simply believe. Or perhaps it’s not so strange.
Akiane Kramarik tells her story, as a believer, in order to ‘prove’ the god she believes in truly exists and those who already share her beliefs, believe her. It seems so miraculous and wonderful, so why don’t non-believers accept her story? For precisely the same reason we don’t believe the stories of the Bible. A total lack of independent evidence.

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The very first question I ask theists and religious apologists who come here is… What objective evidence can you demonstrate for any deity?

The silence is deafening, each and every time.

Indeed. Faith, of course, is belief without evidence. Christians have even made faith itself a virtue, claiming that abandoning ones reasoning faculties is somehow a good thing. Galileo famously said,
I do not feel obliged to believe that the same God who has endowed us with sense, reason, and intellect has intended us to forgo their use …
What I find interesting is how modern apologist now try to use science to ‘prove’ God and fail at every attempt. They only do this, of course, because they must. The Enlightenment released religion’s hold on men’s minds.

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