Would this make a difference?

…the words of Native American scholar Stan Rushworth: “the difference between a Western settler mindset of, I have rights and an indigenous mindset of I have an obligation. Instead of thinking that I am born with rights, I choose to think that I was born with obligations to serve past, present, and future generations, and the planet herself.”


Choose your poison? I can’t wait to be in a position where everyone tells me that I have responsibilities and what my responsibilities are. It’s called a “Guilt or Shame Culture.” Ummmm something like … Korea.

Is it? What about both. Both rights and responsibilities? But we have that then, eh? A criminal law system? A legislative assembly of people for these laws and regulations for societal responsibility.


I accept that I have certain obligations a member of my community. I also have some family obligations. Not fussed about the ‘why’, just the ‘what’

I don’t believe in innate rights because those alleged rights can be, have been and continue to be removed on the basis of political expediency .

Interestingly, this has happened in the Land of The Free and continued to happen under the Trump administration. He would have ruled by decree if he could have, and his supporters would have thought that was just fucking dandy.–As far as I can see that did not happen because the US constitution was robust enough to prevent such a thing

Trump in power reminded me of the poetic form "First they came for----

"First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a socialist.

Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a trade unionist.

Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Jew.

Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me. "

(there is a longer version)


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I don’t have obligations or responsibilities. I have choices. I am not obliged to do anything for anyone. I have absolutely no responsibility at all. I accept certain hard facts as real choices I make to get along with others, improve my well being and the well being of those around me. Saddling me with “responsibility” from any source other than my own ‘choice’ will just piss me off. I am not in this world to live up to someone else’s ideals of who I must be, what I must do, how I must act or what my responsibilities are. My locus of control is 'Internal."

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I have obligations. Being a recovering Catholic, one never completely loses catholic guilt, it’s damn near cellular. :innocent:

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I agree, rights and responsibilities are just two sides of the same coin