Why you disbelieve in any deity(s)

95% recidivism rate where the fuck is that? Must be a seriously fucked up place.


" Key findings include: Released prisoners with the highest rearrest rates were robbers (70.2%), burglars (74.0%), larcenists (74.6%), motor vehicle thieves (78.8%), those in prison for possessing or selling stolen property (77.4%) and those in prison for possessing, using or selling illegal weapons (70.2%)."

95% average? If all the crap was true I read on these pages then some offenders would have to be scoring more than 100% to make that true.

I expect better of you people.

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Interesting that it’s “money driven” crime - property crimes…

That is what I have been saying…Familial sex offending, and all sex offending for all the hysteria is way down in the low %.

Its the fucking hysteria about crime I loathe. A look at the stats says more than any “pulled out my arse” opinions or “axe to grind” Lora Norder politicians.

If you are going to be elected purely because a threat is perceived and you have lied about the stats, I reckon you should do time. No better than Bush and WMD and the orange baboon and his daily farts.

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Canada…

Just a summary…there are larger, more comprehensive reports and breakdown for our provinces.

Edit- the link works

Yep, in line with what I have been saying. We, as usual, are being lied to for political ends.

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They “get in” selling fear - rarely solutions or reality.
Politics is linked with religion because you have to be a believer. And having political ideals challenged, hurts a person’s “identity”. Group think.

Most try (with good intentions) to improve the system - the most effective, IMO, are the quiet background influencers.

There is no rehabilitation. It’s a myth. Prior to Rehabilitation we had a Penitentiary system. The recidivism rates were the same. With rehabilitation we simply release criminals who have high school degrees and some other skills into society.

The numbers generated to justify rehabilitation programs should be a crime.

"Crime rehabilitation has proven to be a failed objective of justice systems in America, experts say. The Texas Department of Criminal Justice lists “To provide for confinement, supervision, rehabilitation, and reintegration of adult felons” as one of its goals in its Annual Review. Like most government documents published for public viewing, it is carefully worded: They aim to provide for rehabilitation, not for the success of rehabilitation.

In its latest study (conducted in 1994), the US Department of Justice reported that national prison recidivism was at 67%.

“I’d say there’s about a 70% recidivism rate,” in the unit, said Lieutenant Vicente Quidachay, Unit Risk Manager at the Rogelio Sanchez Prison."

NOTE: These are NOT longitudinal studies. They are probably 3 to 5 year studies.

Prisons Do Not Reduce Recidivism: The High Cost of Ignoring Science Volume: 91 issue: 3_suppl, page(s): 48S-65S

Article first published online: July 19, 2011; Issue published: September 1, 2011

Perhaps the approach taken in the USA and the use of it there is a myth - but what is rehabilitation?

What is a motivation of “for profit prisons” to actually decrease their revenues?

Ohhh and what about suppliers that cater to only “prisoners” - like snack foods? Prison food sucks…yet there is a whole industry that caters only to the prison population for income in being contracted as the only supplier of “snacks”.

I didn’t know that, but I guess it’s to their advantage not to.

Most meetings I attended didn’t usually have people who were actually drunk. Lunch time meetings in the city were a different matter because street drunks would often attend those totally shit faced and try to drink during the meeting. That was not allowed.

I’m unconvinced that court mandated attendance at AA or any rehab programme/counselling is useful in principle.If only because it can remove anonymity. Mainly though, in my opinion and personal experience , recovery will only stick if the addict is doing it for himself and of his own volition.

My sobriety stuck on my sixth attempt. During a rare sober moment I realised “'If I don’t stop,I will die” I used the same motivation to finally give up cigarettes six months later. I was smoking 70 a day, about the tenth attempt, cold turkey. Giving up cigarettes was the hardest thing I’ve ever done.

https://www.aic.gov.au/publications/tandi/tandi514

http://www.antoniocasella.eu/nume/McKean_2004.pdf

https://heinonline.org/HOL/LandingPage?handle=hein.journals/usthomlj3&div=33&id=&page=

Get back to me when you have finished them.

Recidivism will ALWAYS be a problem, it is exacerbated when poor education, poverty, and prejudice is a fact in society. To REDUCE recidivism ( as the uk did by 32%) you need strategies and the realisation that you are sent to prison AS punishment nor FOR punishment, nor for the personal enrichment of a private incarceration (slavery) corporation.

Not in the US.

The thirteenth amendment,which abolished slavery, has a nifty little exception:

Section 1. Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction.

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I once worked with a dickhead. Said dickhead left when he obtained pre selection for a safe Liberal seat. He was elected and was soon given a junior Ministry; Correctional Services.

Dickhead discovered the Adelaide remand centre(where people have not yet been convicted) had a lovely swimming pool. Dickhead had it filled in.

Although many countries pay lip service to the notion that being in prison IS THE punishment, in practice it is seldom the case, at least in Oz and I’m pretty sure,the US…

I believe you when you say: hardest thing you ever done. I am struggling to quit my 2 cups a day coffee habit.

Coffee is a remaining vice intend to keep. Up to a couple of years ago, I was drinking ten cups a day,and thought that might be too many.

So I bought a drip machine. The measurements show it will make up to 12 cups. It actually makes demitasse, which is currently what I drink, (10) from special demitasse I bought. Couldn’t find what I wanted anywhere.Finally, in desperation, went to IKE; white, cup and saucer $2.50.

PS I fucking well hate fucking Ikea. Ever since the arm fell off a nice computer chair bought there. I fell down and hurt myself.

I’m down to 1 cup* of coffee a day.

*the container I drink out of is a little large, so perhaps 2 cups is more accurate.

COFFEE: I drink two cups a day at work. Monday through Friday. I have some instant coffee sticks in the house, hold on, … four of them. They are above the sink in a small cup. They have been there for at least a year. I never drink coffee at home. The weekend is my withdraw time.

Recently, because of the Covid 19. I have not been working. This is the 3ed week at home. Not a single cup of coffee. But I know, the first thing I will do when I get to the office on Monday morning is fix myself up a cup of that wonderful brew.

I have no idea how I do it. Just my habit. And every now and again I will spend a weekend with a headache as I go through withdraw. What can I say??? Just the life of a coffee lover.

Sorry to hear that -

I love my 2 cups a day! No plans to stop. Started coffee at about age 10. The odd, odd time, I’ll have a cup in the evening, after supper.

Gave up hard liquor 38 years ago, gave up coffee 2 years ago, hardly drink black tea now, mostly herbals…but manage a bottle of wine a day…3 glasses with lunch and 2 with afternoon tea.

I am happy.

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Lol!!! Good on you for giving up the hard stuff…:wink:

yeh the coffee was a bugger