Why you disbelieve in any deity(s)

You have a penchant for plugging in the “god” name without any proof.

I could easily state “Anything v ZERO puts the balance in Bugs Bunny’s favor.”

The sad part is that my statement is just as valid as yours. I cannot prove Bugs Bunny exists, neither can you prove “god” exists.

Oh wait, I have photographic proof.

Only if you’re tossing coins. I think reality is more like a roulette wheel. If one hypothesis turns out to be wrong, there are infinite others, not just the god hypothesis.

Bloody hell that’s a disturbing image. I haven’t seen anything as horrible as that since I took my son to a Discworld convention and met a guy in a bright green turtle suit trying to use a toilet.

AR members might find the following of interest. It might serve as an antidote to all the presuppostionalist swill you have endured.

How Consciousness Evolved
MICHAEL GRAZIANO

Graziano is a neurologist who presents an abridged history of the development of consciousness beginning with early life forms.

And for even more detail:

Evolution of Consciousness: Phylogeny, Ontogeny, and Emergence from General Anesthesia
GEORGE A. MASHOUR and MICHAEL T. ALKIRE

This is written by two neurologists summarising their practical research into the many different facets of consciousness in humans and other species.

Most notable point of interest in both references is the independent development of consciousness in avian species. I wonder if they have a god? It would be a White Celestial Cockatoo no doubt. The most conspicuous feathered consciousness belongs to the magpie which has an enlarged segment of its brain, equivalent of the human frontal lobe. Bloody clever and cheeky buggers they are too.

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I used Bugs Bunny as an example, and a creepy Bugs Bunny to mirror the creepy god described in the bible.

If there was a god as described in the bible, it would be hanging around washrooms and pursuing it’s obsession with genitalia.

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Isn’t it funny how objective evidence is not sufficient for you to accept a simple fact, but you’ll believe in invisible sky fairies from a bronze age superstion with no evidence at all.

Since there is no evidence that consciousness has ever survived the death of the physical brain, I disbelieve your woo woo claim it exists independently of it.

You’re tedious rehashing of yet another argumentum ad ignorantiam fallacy speaks for itself.

The existence of physical brains, and consciousness are objective facts, you’re adding superstitious unevidenced woo woo, so the burden of proof is yours.

False equivalence fallacy again. Another asinine and irrational analogy, since we can demonstrate objective evidence that the music is not produced by the radio. So no, you never believed the radio produced the music. How many times are you going to dishonestly rehash these fallacious analogies after they’ve been debunked?

Showing examples of human design, that can be objectively evidenced, and then comparing those with nature where there is zero evidence of design, is an irrational fail, no matter how many times you plagiarise William Paley’s watchmaker fallacy.

Argumentum ad popular fallacy, the number of people who hold a belief as true tells us nothing about the validity of that belief. As has been explained to you more than once.

This being the case then this would suggest a creator - God , is the necessary agent for consciousness .

Nope, that is still pure unevidenced assumption, that you have tacked onto the end of your irrational fallacy.

Occam works for me . Anything v ZERO puts the balance in Gods favor.
Got any evidence to prove that matter produces consciousness?

You have violated Occam’s razor in almost every post you clown, by adding an invisible unevidenced deity, using inexplicable magic, based on naught but ignorant superstition.

No it doesn’t, this is just an irrational ignorant assumption you’re making over and over, even after it’s been explained to you again and again.

No has to disprove your woo woo claims, anymore than we have to disprove the existence of all the deities you disbelieve in.

That is nothing but assumptions with ZERO scientific evidence to back up your claim regarding matter producing consciousness.

Yah! And then stabbing anyone to death stupid enough to sit beside it…

How wonderfully ironic when advocates of life forces and spirit and sparks of the divine demand scientific evidence. The experiment has already been done and results are in. Form a rocky planet through accretion in the debris field surrounding a new star. Add copious amounts of water and then allow to simmer for eons in a dynamic environment bombarded with UV and static electricity. Wait for a couple of billion years and then check for signs of fossilized microbial life. Using a standard woo-woo meter, check for evidence of spirit infusion or fairy magic.

I anticipate that similar results may be found on Mars, Europa, etc., providing further evidence that life occurs spontaneously under the right conditions.

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What objective evidence can you demonstrate that consciousness can exist without a functioning brain?

We already know that consciousness and brains exist together, so stop wasting everyone’s time with your appeal to ignorance fallacies.

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Mass = Energy (Einstein demonstrated this.) Not only is consciousness an emergent property of the brain but it is energy. We can measure brain activity. This emergent property of brain is energy and energy is mass. *You can disagree with Einstein. * We have the ability to measure brain activity. No brain activity and no consciousness. It’s really that simple

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Basically, all that our porcine aeronaut has to offer, at bottom, can be summarised thus:

“I can’t understand how testable natural processes can produce X, therefore no testable natural process can produce X, therefore my cartoon magic man from my favourite mythology must have done it by magic”.

This would be hilarious if it wasn’t so pathetic and insidious.

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Me too.

If you haven’t seen it, there’s presently 4K video of the surface of mars on YouTube. Does my head in because it doesn’t look at all alien to me, looks like a desert. Half expect to see pottery shards.

The video below is only 10 minutes. There is 10 HOURS of film available. It occurs to me that it’s about time for the crazies to come out of the wood work and claim the Mars films are fake-------my computer monitor is only 1080p but that’s pretty good. Looks pretty good on a 4K TV, but not spectacularly better.

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Incredible footage.

You should devise a scam where you seek donations to send a stack of bibles to Mars.

eta: Or maybe a scheme to send William Lane Craig to Mars; where he can develop philosophical arguments about what is necessary and/or sufficient to survive there. I’m sure he could write several papers about the difference between a potential air tank, and an actual air tank.

Make sure you only contract with (lowest bidder) creationist engineering firms for the manufacture of his equipment.

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I’m wondering how long it will be before some official American body begins selling land on Mars.Or naming rights to geographical features.

Closest I’ve come to that is buying a brick for me mum. It’s at the immigration museum in the city. It has her name and the date she arrived in Australia from Canada. It is then set into the ground to form part of a paved walk. I like to think of it as like the Hollywood walk of fame ,but with actual meaning. :grinning:

And I wonder how long it will be before there’s a Coca Cola logo or Golden M shining down at us from the surface of the Moon.