Unless you’ve been an evangelical Christian, you’re not going to understand where I’m coming from. I believe in God and the Trinity. It’s just that I don’t understand “them”. God tells us basically to keep our opinions to ourselves because He is God and you don’t argue with God, even though there were those in the Old Testament who did. I have a huge argument I want to present to God but assume He won’t hear me because I am questioning Him on too many things.
I am also an Annialationist and am totally convinced that Hell was made up by Pope Gregory 1st about 600 AD. That’s a big argument I have with God because the church says we will be tormented for eternity if we don’t accept the Word, but God fails to tell us that the Word changed by a pompous Pope who decided to change it! So, if I am displeasing to God, He will Annialate me but won’t send me to eternal torture. Our whole ministry of approaching sinners changes when we know this.
God gave you a brain and curiosity, so asking questions would be consistant with his design . . . if he exists.
“Sin” is an invented theological concept anyway. It has no real world explanatory power. It just weaponizes the human condition for religious exploitation.
What you fail to realize is that a lot more is incoherent / wrong about Christian dogma than hell vs annihilation.
Why believe in the Trinity?
Tertullian cobbled together this ridiculous word salad and was never recognised or beatified by the Church because he became an “heretical” Montanist. His writings were seized on by the Church and made dogma in the 4th Century onwards. They were were welcomed by the nascent Roman Church because the miraculous birth stories and “Son of God” bits just did not stand any scrutiny (just like today) and Tertullian gave an explanation that could be promulgated as fact to all the gentile churches.
The only story that may have held a shred of credibility (if there was a YHWH) was the original “Followers of the Way”, Jewish “christians” who believed that the Yeshua figure was adopted by god at his death because he was “the perfect jew”…anathema to the gentile church of Rome and indeed, the Eastern Churches…
Your credence of the Trinity dogma is as silly as any credence given to the later invention of Hell and for the very same reasons.
I think it would be better if you didn’t leave. It sounds like you’re close to a breakthrough from believer to non-believer and we might be able to help you with that. But not me personally because my transition took place when I hadn’t formed a worldview that included religion.
I am told that many experience a lot of anguish and turmoil in the transition. It sounds like you are having such an experience.
Nevertheless good luck. Hope you stay. I’d like to see how this turns out
A version of the poisoning the well fallacy. ^^
Argument from authority fallacy. ^^
Anyway, I agree with @mordant and would go one further to illustrate by asking: by what standard do you determine god and the father and the son and the holy spirit to be part of reality, yet disparage the notion that hell is real?
And if the standard is “because god,” what evidence is there that this god exists, or is even possible?
Might be taking it out of context but it sounds like a variation on the No True Scotsman fallacy.
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I’ve been an evangelical and I get it, but that doesn’t preclude anyone else from understanding – it just makes it somewhat less likely that they will.
TL;DR – to him, he’s already ejected hellthreat, he can’t handle too much mental rearrangement at once. And probably doesn’t want to.
Haha what a funny statement you make.
Sure. You’re free to believe in sky daddies. I do not.
This is a claim. Gods are not scientifically evidenced to exist.
Yet another claim. If I had to guess, I’d say that you’re preaching your religious views.
Again, proselytizing. We’re not Christians. You must ask yourself a question. Would you want to be preached at by a Muslim or a Hinduist? If your answer is no, then you know how we feel when you do it.
Is it love to torture and cause trauma to someone for making a mistake?