Why do you think

[Tin-Man]

@SodaAnt

My favorite is the plane crash where hundreds are killed, but one survives, and that’s a miracle.

But it IS a miracle, you ignorant heathen! You are SO horribly blinded by your atheistic beliefs! Can’t you see? God killed all those other innocent people and spared that ONE to PROVE to everybody how loving and powerful he is. Duh! PLUS, if the survivor was like some kind of rapist or child molester, then he will know how god spared him and gave him a chance to repent for his sins and get to go to heaven after living the remainder of his life as a born again Christian. See? It makes perfect sense. And if you cannot understand that, then I’m afraid there is no hope for you. May god have mercy on your soul.

[MrDawn]

lol I find it funny how a god would allow the absolute worst people into paradise just BECAUSE they believe in him and asked for forgiveness even though they committed some really bad atrocities. I was being taught by my parents and the church that god was all for justice and the gooody good when I was growing up. Never fucking mind that. Christianity is pretty fucked up if all a chomo or a serial killer has to do is simply say the magic words to live blissfully in the hereafter for eternity. Heaven my ass! Xtians are full of it

[Cognostic]

And these are testaments to how old these things are, not how old the Earth is.

[Tin-Man]

@Cognostic

And these are testaments to how old these things are, not how old the Earth is.

Damn! Again, you godless infidels are SO ignorant! It is blindingly obvious that god (in his infinite wisdom) planned ahead and made those things many thousands of years before he made the Earth so that they would be immediately ready to put in place once the Earth was completed. That is why he was able to make our entire universe in only six days. He already had everything pre-made before the beginning of the universe. Therefore, all he had to do was just stick everything where it belonged. You all are going to hell for doubting god.

(Edit for timeliness.)

[Whitefire13]

Oldest human genome from southern Spain

Does DNA count ?

[Sheldon]

@SodaAnt

There are older living things, like Pando , the clonal Aspen that’s over 10,000 years old and King Clone , a creosote bush estimated to be 12,000 years old.

@Sherlock-Holmes

I’m not here to defend young earth creationism but want to point out that the oldest living things are about 5,000 years old, kind of around the time the YEC advocates claim the deluge took place, just sayin…

The real hilarity was that he went on to do just that, incorrectly as it happens. Also ignoring the fact that the geological record demonstrates unequivocally that no global flood has ever occurred. So fail, fail and fail from @Sherlock-holmes, again, bless.

Go have 6 months to think about what you’ve done wrong.

[MrDawn]

@Tin-Man

You all are going to hell for doubting god.

Yes, we must be Gracious to HIM. Pray to him while we sit on the toilet and shit while thanking HIM for allowing it because he could KILL us with bowel obstructions! You should never wash your hands after because you are doubting his ability to protect you and you are washing away the blood of Jesus! That is why he gives hand washing infidels C.Diff because they are sinning by washing their hands!

[WhoAreYou]

@Old_man_shouts_at_cl

Nope, nor did I mention morality. You didn’t mention it either.

I see no reason to explain nor can I explain the actions of immoral beings like Jahweh’s minions, Stalin, Pol Pot, Manson, Hitler, Goebbels or any other monster. That they all carried out utterly amoral acts is self evident.

If you want to discuss evolutionary morality I am happy to oblige.

Not trying to be rude but you doing something to someone thinking something about someone or saying something that you wouldn’t want to be done, thought or said about or to you, isnt that the simplest form of morality? Why do you on the one hand chalk it up to universal human experience i.e. not truth and then on the other hand make it seem like you know that stalin and mao etc did indeed truthfully do something immoral? Honest question.

[WhoAreYou]

@Sheldon

What a bizarre claim? Are you seriously going to say you have never seen a single example of someone having or revealing an exaggerated sense of they’re own importance or abilities?

So you can define good and evil as a universal truth? Where do we get that universal truth of good and evil?

[Sheldon]

@WhoAreYou

@Sheldon

What a bizarre claim? Are you seriously going to say you have never seen a single example of someone having or revealing an exaggerated sense of they’re own importance or abilities?

So you can define good and evil as a universal truth?

Not only does that not address a single point I made, it directly contradicts what I specifically said earlier, that morality is subjective?

@WhoAreYou

Where do we get that universal truth of good and evil?

I never claimed we could? Evil is a subjective term, as I very specifically said earlier? You need to read my post again, carefully this time, as you seem to have entirely ignored what I said, and the context it was offered in.

This was your original assertion that I responded to:

@WhoAreYou

Arrogance and a sense of entitlement do mot really exist according to many of you. or are you able to objectively give me evidence that arrogance exists? How about a sense of entitlement how can you give me objective evidence for that?

Here is my response:

@Sheldon

What a bizarre claim? Are you seriously going to say you have never seen a single example of someone having or revealing an exaggerated sense of they’re own importance or abilities?

Well then you can carefully examine the notion some religions contain, for example the obvious inference from the Genesis creation myth, is that the entire universe and everything in it was created for the sole purpose of providing a testing ground for humans, and even stating unequivocally that a deity has gifted humans dominion over all the earth and every living thing. Yet the the overwhelming objective scientific evidence demonstrate that we are merely one species of evolved great apes, that emerged among countless other species a mere 200k years ago, in a solar system that is 3.5 billion years old, and a universe that is over 13 billion years old. This clearly indicates arrogance, and a misplaced sense of entitlement.

Quod erat demonstrandum

You seem to have offered an irrelevant non sequitur? My post quoted demonstrates an example of how the biblical creation myth creates a sense of arrogance and entitlement, exactly what you asked for.

[Sheldon]

@WhoAreYou

What i mean by truth is never changing, evident to all, inescapable reality, always existing.

As much as I love to hear people making up definitions and arbitrarily assigning them to words, truth is that which is in accordance with fact or reality. Since we are evolved apes and our perception of reality necessarily fallible, truth is not and can never be an absolute, though irrefutable facts evidently exist.

@WhoAreYou

Everyone can see it in all of creation.

Circular reasoning fallacy, calling it creation doesn’t evidence your belief it is created, let alone by a a deity, let alone by your deity, obviously. You are holding and presenting an empty bag, and all of your work is before you.

@WhoAreYou

You were made in God’s image and likeness.

Sigh, endless claims, and zero evidence, t’was ever thus.

@WhoAreYou

science shows us more that there is an eternal Creator.

Does it fuck…

@WhoAreYou

Have you ever said, done or thought anything to anyone else that you knew was not what you would have wanted to have said of you, done to you or thought of you? Or have you ever passed judgment on anyone for wronging you or someone else regardless if that someone else was close to you or not?

Oh all the time, fuck him, fuck her, so and so’s a cunt etc etc…what’s your point?

@Sheldon

Now that I have your attention, what objective evidence (if any) can you demonstrate for any deity? If the answer is none that’s fine, I’d prefer a candid response to a misrepresentation of subjective belief as objective evidence.

Still no answer to this, what can your reticence mean?

@WhoAreYou

Mind telling me what you mean when you say you want objective evidence that can demonstrate anything and the implication of it?

Precisely what it says? Can you demonstrate (ok so far?) any objective evidence (you can Google both words) for any deity? You bizarrely asked me to define what this means as if you don’t know and can’t determine what the words objective or evidence mean, then rolled past the question, that is not debating in good faith.

[Old_man_shouts_at_cl]

@WhoAreYou

Not trying to be rude but you doing something to someone thinking something about someone or saying something that you wouldn’t want to be done, thought or said about or to you, isnt that the simplest form of morality? Why do you on the one hand chalk it up to universal human experience i.e. not truth and then on the other hand make it seem like you know that stalin and mao etc did indeed truthfully do something immoral? Honest question.

Honest question? No you don’t seem to know what a question is. I answered your first question fully. I did not say that universal human experience was not true, but it has nothing to do with an expternal morality. It is what it is, a universal human experience.

I consider Stalin and Pol Pot’s actions, like Torquemada’s, Pope Gregory 15th, the Borgia’s and Cardinal Pell to be utterly immoral. My morals are subject to societal and evolutionary pressure.

If you wish to discuss this rationally instead of trying for a juvenile “gotcha” moment I am happy to oblige.

[Cognostic]

@WhoAreYou

So you can define good and evil as a universal truth? Where do we get that universal truth of good and evil?

LOL… Good and Evil? Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha … What fucking century are we in? People still talk like that?

[skriten]

@Cognostic

People still talk like that?

Thou shan’t murmur words of doubt cast upon the righteous amongst yourselves. Be ye not like the purveyors of inequities, but rather open thy heart to the message of salvation prepared for thee by the lamb of Graud…For though evil lives in the hearts of men, redemption for the repentant through prayers of contrition will free the soul from the bondages of sin.

Edit ( just say the magic words)

[Tin-Man]

@Cognostic

What fucking century are we in? People still talk like that?

Whatsoever art thouest saying?

[Get_off_my_lawn]

@Cognostic

What fucking century are we in? People still talk like that?

Indubitably.

Now please excuse me while I latibulate.

[Cognostic]

@Get_off_my_lawn

latibulate.

What a great word. Now I can give Tin a cookie and tell him to go latibulate himself. Big words scare the shit out of him. Wheels start turning in places he never knew he had wheels.

[Tin-Man]

@Cognostic

What a great word. Now I can give Tin a cookie and tell him to go latibulate himself.

Latibulate? Ooooo… That sounds kinky! I ain’t even gonna bother to look up the definition on that one. I prefer to use my imagination.

[rat_spit]

@Tin-Man

I prefer to use my imagination.

Preferably in the privacy of one’s own home

[Sheldon]

@Tin-Man

Latibulate? Ooooo… That sounds kinky! I ain’t even gonna bother to look up the definition on that one. I prefer to use my imagination.

Go stand in a quiet hidden corner to think about it.