You’re citing him? The genetic entropy guy?
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You’re citing him? A christain apologist?
It seems the folks you like to cite are christian apologists. Do you ever read the work of others? Do you ever verify that the author you’re citing is reliable, debunked, an outlier, qualified? Do you read only apologists and consider your research complete?
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We can’t dismiss the fact that he was an atheist and his research led him to Christ he reluctantly got there.
Yes i verify as much as possible.Secondly a lot of the conclusions that have helped me have been biblical studies independent of any one person mainly through a desire to find truth.
I’ve already questioned my faith when i went to college, looked at other religions, other philosophies. Nothing is convincing like the Bible and how its supported with science, morals, archeology, history, culture current events etc.
This guy was an atheist and when he did his research he wasn’t trying to defend his faith he was just curious and couldn’t lie to himself about what he found.
You also can’t dismiss the fact that I was raised very religious, accepted and practiced it - baptized at 14…and left in my 30s.
So what?
@WhoAreYou …the debate and questions are with you, not the source material. You can use it to explain or clarify or define BUT we are not debating the authors (they aren’t here for the cross-examination). Have you even read my post? #1207 or any of the following posts?
Yes or no?
PS - I was raised on the Creation or Evolution book and your understanding of mutation and species’ selection are sadly ignorant. I was there too - sadly ignorant.
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Sorry to bust your bubble, but that guy was never an atheist if he was so eager to believe in a god without evidence.
No you don’t.
The Bible is a claim, not evidence.
Good for you.
It’s not supported by anything but itself. You’re bullshitting through your teeth. Admit it, it’s a story you want to believe in and that’s all it is. If it were fact, everyone would treat it like it’s common knowledge world wide like they do NASA and the moon.
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Sorry, eh, @MrDawn folks find god in all sorts of ways. Doesn’t mean he didn’t describe himself as an atheist beforehand. I don’t think you can claim he wasn’t no more than anyone can claim anyone’s self-descriptors (no true Scotsman or “you were never a true Christian”)
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What has this to do with you providing some objective evidence for any deity, or that a deity is even possible? You seem determined to offer cryptic non-sequiturs?
To make what case for Jesus? Present this case and explain exactly what is being claimed? try to be unambiguous about exactly what it is you’re claiming, and why.
I am dubious, as if this person had uncovered any objective evidence or even a compelling rational argument for (whatever it is your claiming about Jesus) then why on earth have you failed to produce any of it after many weeks of posting, and not even now when you make this bare unevidenced anecdotal claim?
- How does his research evidence any deity?
- Why is the entire scientific world unaware of this paradigm shifting research?
- Why is the theistic world unaware of it come to that? I just checked the Catholic News Agency, and baffling there isn’t a single word about any scientific research evidencing any deity?
I can answer those questions if you’re struggling.
They haven’t helped you demonstrate any objective evidence, or helped you avid the usual array of logically fallacious apologetics, so again this anecdotal claim is pretty not at all compelling evidence that your beliefs have any validity.
Unevidenced subjective opinion again. All one need do is look at your posts to see you have failed to support this claim with anything approaching objective evidence or even rational argument for any deity.
Name three things in the bible supported by scientific evidence, and explain how they evidence a deity, as I am dubious, especially since you are yet again offering a bare unevidenced anecdote.
Sigh, present this research, explain how it evidences any deity, then explain why the scientific world doesn’t share this view, indeed seems entirely unaware that it supports this conclusion? It sounds like creationist propaganda to me.
Just to be clear, how are you claiming this evidences any deity? The scientific world clearly doesn’t share this conclusions, so I am extremely dubious that he has any scientific evidence for a deity, this sounds like a subjective religious belief to me. It also sounds like an appeal to authority fallacy, else why would you accept his opinion over the entire scientific world?
Oh dear…
“He stated that he believed the age of the Earth was “less than 100,000” years.”
Tell me @WhoAreYou, if he is correct please explain how we can see the light form stars that are billions of light years away?
Why do you think there’s information in the human genome? Why do you think that the coding and information in the gemore is more complex and elegant than anything anyone has ever designed? With everything else that points to Christ, what would be a reasonable conclusion?
Information in the genome? No, there are chemical substances in the genome.
Coding? It’s not a code.
More complex? Please provide the arithmetic you used to compute that (not a quote from anyone).
Points to christ? Not as far as I’m concerned.
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No it’s not a reasonable conclusion.
Chemical combinations. Hydrogen and oxygen particles combined as H2O form “water” - how many molecules to have “wetness”?
Then there is the sun-atomic particles that combine to form the particles.
IF you’re relying on information, there’s more substantial evidence that we are coded and living in a simulated matrix.
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Whitefire13,
Information and all things listed plus more points to Christ.
You can take every thing on that list holistically speaking it all points to God there’s no other reasonable explanation that it holistically points to.
There’s an entire field on genetic engineering
And i don’t know why you are saying there is genetic code. DNA structure was discovered by Francis Crick and James Watson
When the wind makes one rock put a scratch on another rock: that is information. The human genome contains information for the same reason rocks contain information. The location of one hydrogen atom in relation to another; is information! There is gobs of information in just a few dust particles in a cubic meter of “dead” cold empty outer-space.
eta: Also on average about 1/2 a billion microwave photons pass through a cubic meter of “empty” space every second. Of course each one carries a certain amount of information. Sometimes instruments collect that information to make those maps of the cosmic background.
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There’s an entire field of genetic engineering. Did you think I actually did not know this?
DNA structure was discovered by Crick and Watson. Sigh, you didn’t mention Franklin and Wilkins.
I find it a quite reasonable explanation that it doesn’t point at all.
@WhoAreYou, you skipped this part.
You are equating entropy and a system going to a lower energy with information. It may leave information behind but it’s not due to it.