Then god is a collection of chemicals, mainly dopamine.
My response may appear facetious, but it is technically correct.
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You left out estrogen testosterone progesterone etc…(-:
But if I define myself as an “aloveist,” am I free from the burden to justify that love does not exist?
Listen to this conversation.
Neo:
I just have never…
Rama-Kandra:
…heard a program speak of love?
Neo:
It’s a… human emotion.
Rama-Kandra:
No, it is a word. What matters is the connection the word implies. I see that you are in love. Can you tell me what you would give to hold on to that connection?
Neo:
Anything.
Rama-Kandra:
Then perhaps the reason you’re here is not so different from the reason I’m here.
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You’re using love as a proper pronoun; to represent a supernatural creature/deity?
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…is the line that jumps out to me.
It says Debate Room on top LH of my page, and the site is called the Atheist Republic?
I never use the word proof, it’s a misnomer, proofs are for mathematics. I accept or believe claims or assertion when they are supported by sufficient objective evidence.
The rest of your post is simply a long list of unevidenced claims?
Can you demonstrate any objective evidence for any of those claims?
You are no longer an agnostic? You realise knowledge claims must be supported by proper evidence right?
That claim should have alarm bells ringing on it’s own. They can’t possibly have any idea what any atheist believes, unless unless of course an atheist tells them.
I could care less what they subjectively allow, the genesis myth is errant nonsense. It gets the most basic facts about the chronological formation of our solar system wrong, and the idea the closest they can get to 13+ billions years is 6 days is frankly risible.
Evolution isn’t just a belief, it is a scientific fact supported by overwhelming evidence that puts it beyond any reasonable doubt.
Why are you trying to invent words in order to falsely shift the burden of proof? Love is is defined as a feeling of deep affection, there is ample objective evidence that humans experience such feelings, so if you want to disbelieve that crack on, you don’t need to invent new words, but it doesn’t in any way equate to a lack or absence of belief in any deity or deities, which no one can demonstrate a shred of objective evidence for.
You’re not the first theist to come here obviously, and every single time they fail to offer a shred of objective evidence, but far more tellingly for me is whether they give it the soft sell, as you are doing, or trumpet a claim they can “prove” god exists in the title of their first post - thread, they never ever open with any evidence, then after hours, days, weeks, sometimes months, they offer it, and it isn’t evidence at all, and guess what it is always our fault somehow.
Can you demonstrate any objective evidence for any diety?
It’s a very simple question, that can be answered yes or no. If the answer is yes, then given this is an atheist debate forum, you will need to justify that answer by demonstrating that evidence.
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Of the two options, I’d go with “2.” In my attempt to be succinct, on my belief in God, I left out that he had given humans free will.
From what I’ve learned there is a crap-ton of differing opinions on free will amongst Christians, so no doubt it’s a hot button here in AR. Anyway, the teaching (for lack of a better term) that I like is that even the writers of the books of bible were endowed with free as they wrote. So, rather than the bible being the actual word of God it is the inspired word of God, and they writers interpreted the voice of God in their head as best they could.
I don’t base my belief in God in Old Testament.
Or the bible is entirely human in origin, and this would explain it’s errancy without violating Occam’s razor. It is an objective fact that humans write books, I’m not aware of any objective evidence that a deity exists, or writes books, or inspires them.
No offence but you have yet to offer any credible evidence for your belief. hand waving half of the bible away doesn’t help, quite the opposite. .
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Thus jesus and god are integrated.
Thus jesus/god knew beforehand that jesus would be resurrected.
So why do you bend your knee to a being that knew it would have a bad weekend, then be resurrected, ascend to heaven and be senior vice president of heaven?
Jesus did not die for you, jesus just endured a bad weekend.
A true sacrifice, as in the many examples of war heroes, placed themselves in a position where they were willing to TRULY die for their friends, family, or nation. I have a heck of a lot more respect (by many factors) for those fallen war heroes than your jesus who knew he was not really going to die.
p.s. I abandoned the definition of god thingy because you went off on a weird tangent of semantics and poor grammar.
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I had a hard time with to as well. An I can’t give you an answer. I have looked at it and I can live with the Mystery. But I understand if you can’t.
No argument there!
I not understand what ya mean or what all did wrongly grammer like, and phraseology have always been trouble.—a poor attempt at humor. It is hard to sum up my belief in just a few sentences. I know it would not go well.
I can not accept a wild story like that on just blind faith.
I attempt to unravel all stores with common sense as a basis. Just like Judge Judy, if it makes sense, it leads one to believe it. But if it does not make sense then eyebrows are raised.
Many theists claim that not everything in the bible is literal, that there are parables and stories and such to teach us a lesson or give guidance. And that leads me to ask, what is actually true, and what is just a story that is not probably true? And despite the fact that the jesus reincarnation is the most important story in the bible and the very foundation of christianity, that does not guarantee that it is true.
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We’re not perfect … nod nod wink wonk . lol
Hey, you are still getting used to this place, and at times spread thin dealing with multiple posters and threads. All of us, at one time or another screw up. The arrogant asshole never accepts any faults, the humble person does, and because of that they they learn and grow, and are a better person for it.
Free will does not solve the problem. If God is all knowing and “can perceive all time as if it were present”, then he would surely know what was going to happen (free will or not), otherwise he would NOT be all knowing and could NOT “perceive all time as if it were present”. So you see, you can’t have it both ways.
So how do you know which parts of the Bible are interpreted correctly and which parts are not? How do you know your interpretation of the Bible is correct?
Yet, it is the same god that is depicted there, isn’t it? You believe in one god and reject other gods, so it must be the same one, right? Do you reject the god of the Old Testament or do you avoid the Old Testament on grounds of convenience?
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Matthew 5:18 For truly, I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass from the Law until all is accomplished.
Basically jesus is stating that he will follow the laws of the old testament.
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What if I chose to believe he meant something else, in order to avoid that unpalatable fact?
Oh oh oh, will it get me into heaven, not the main bit obviously, maybe a small table near the kitchen, for atheists who are prepared to base core beliefs on subjective sophistry?
Yes yes, I can read what I said…lets just forget the whole thing then.
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Well the fully-man/fully-God attribute is supernatural so I can accept that having two consciousnesses is rather incomprehensible to me. It bible often presents that he know what was going to happen, but dreaded it when he was in the garden of Gethsemane.
Well Christianity existed through tradition (a well established practice at the time) for 300 yeas be for the Bible. So that created a generally consist set of understands/principals/values amongst the religious leaders that Emperor Constantine gathered at Nicaea to sort through the writings of the past 300ish years.
Also, a big part of Christianity is working to have a relationship with Jesus. To do that, I needed to learn to hear him in lieu of me (often called the still small voice). I do it through contemplation, prayer and reading the Bible (mostly in that order).
Then there is the Christian concept of Peace and Joy. In a nut shell, it is faith that God will still do something good with what might come from those times we get it wrong.
No doubt much (if any) provide you any help regarding discerning what “you” can or can’t trust in the Bible.
I don’t reject the Old Testament. I think the hard parts are judged so because modern society has deep seated values ingrained within it that come from Christianity. In the time of Moses and before Moses it was common (and likely revered) for a tribe to sack another tribe for the spoils. So, I try to understand that the others had that perspective, in lieu of modern concepts like NATO. That is how I accept it.
I understand that to be God’s laws rather than all that stuff in Deuteronomy and Leviticus(??). Primarily (if not exclusively) the ten commandments.
Try doing it in 1) read bible 2) contemplate 3) prayer. That way you are not preparing your mind for an expected outcome, but would instead get a message, then work towards interpreting it.
Note the “all”. This is one problem that makes me doubt the veracity of the bible, it can be interpreted as one wishes.
Me too. But there is the passage where Peter(??) is napping on the roof and has a vision of all the stuff he can now eat and do. I can look that up if you like, to get correct, but I bet you know what I am talking about.
I understand that is the clarification that God provided.
It seams even modern Judaism had some reprieve as they are no longer putting to death adulterous wives (-: