We don’t need to prove your “beliefs” are false, you need to prove to us(or anyone) that they’re true. Believing in a creator is the same as believing in the Loch Ness monster. You need to prove it, we don’t have to prove that it’s not real.
Retard.
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Do you have a personal relationship with Jesus? And has the Holy Spirit entered your heart?
Hmmm… 
… Seems to me that if somebody had a “personal relationship” with Jesus, that holy spirit likely entered a location other than the heart. 
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There it is…you just cannot help yourself.
I don’t know why you are unable to ignore the obvious…
Edit for perpetuity
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You know rat - shit ratty. You should find whoever it is that is dishing out all that Karma and shoot them in the head. Most certainly you were a piece of shit in your previous life. What do you imagine the Karma is for running about pretending you know shit about which you know nothing?
Now, why would I shoot my self in the head? Ommmmmmmmm
I don’t know. But the karma for having a dirty, foul, monkey mouth is seven days in pierogietory.
Pierogi - Awsome. Love the stuff.
By your beliefs, you god created you but you do not get an automatic pass to heaven. First off, you must please your god. That is a transactional relationship, you must do something and this god will grant you heaven.
So abandon the silly idea your god loves you. Love is not transactional.
What are the first three commandments? Hint: they all relate to a god that demands worship.
Have you given serious thought to the fact that a super-powerful entity that can create a universe feels a need to create ants that worship it? Have you given serious thought to the fact that because of that insecurity it is not perfect? Have you given serious thought to the fact that this god does not love you, it just wants to be worshiped?
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Let’s see how you feel after SEVEN DAYS. Russian Pierogi, Sauerkraut Pierogi, Polish Wild Forest Mushroom Pierogi With Mashed Potato, Ukrainian Pierogi … you’ll beg the overlords of Pierogi Tory to stop, but they’ll keep bringing them. Fried, boiled - with sour cream, chives, green onion finely chopped, bacon bits - you will endure seven days of this torment. And there’s only beer to wash it down. Or a nice chardone or red wine of your desire. HA HA HA HA HA. And you will be served by TOPLESS SLAVIC WOMEN. HA HA HA. For seven days you will endure this and then - it will end. That’s the bad part. It ends after seven days.
That’s not our job. You joined an Atheist community and came on here making god claims. You cannot shift the burden of proof when you’re called out on it. It’s up to you to prove to us that your god exists which you repeatedly have failed to do. Either demonstrate with objective evidence that your deity exists or shut the fuck up and keep it in the closet. It’s that simple.
Personally. Yeah. I think your beliefs are false and you have no evidence. Just a fictional novel with a cult following to argue about.
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I second the “don’t play the switcheroo game here, pal” assessment.
“In science, the default position about any relationship is that it does not exist. This position is called the ‘null hypothesis’. For a claim to be accepted, the proposer must present sufficient real-world evidence for the null hypothesis to be rejected.”
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Most monotheists who are members here have done it. It’s their go to strategy when they fail in their argument that their god exists. If they want you to believe it, it’s not too much trouble to ask for them to go dig up some physical evidence. I honestly want to see action. Not words. I want them to conjure up this deity in the flesh. The Greek gods took human forms in mythology and demonstrated their power. One major thing an xtian can do is demonstrate the promises made by the Gospel Jesus in the bible. Perform miracles. That’d be a big step forward. Can Christians do these things? No. Absolutely not. If Christians could actually heal people and raise the dead, we wouldn’t need hospitals. Since Christians fail to perform miracles through a mythological magic prophet or demonstrate the existence of a deity with objective evidence. The god claims needs to be verified on every single level for me to ever believe it including the Jesus myth. I am unconvinced. I will continue to view the bible as a fictional novel where the most loved character promises it’s readers a load of bullshit.
In my few years here I have seen that ploy many times.
Before I delve further, I must point out that many theists are good people without a hidden agenda. We may not agree, and I may even think they have been deluded, but their agenda and goals are not dishonest and deceitful.
But be on guard for the bait and switch, it is a common ploy. Just recently a theist came in here, appeared to be sincere and honest and opened a thread discussing proof of god. Then after about a week I noticed that theist had snuck in a question attempting to reverse the burden of proof, by requesting that atheists prove that god does not exist.
Be vigilant, be on guard, read the wording carefully.
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Ask a christian why they do not believe in Greek gods and their typical response would be that there is no proof of their existence. Bounce that back at them concerning their own god … all of a sudden that logic does not work for them anymore.
I have with one guy. He was just laughing and calling them false gods. I asked “What about your god? How do you know your god isn’t in the same boat with those gods?” and guess what? He made the “because the bible said so” claim. I have learned that no matter what Christian I pick a fight with, I almost always get a different load of shit back based on counter-apologetics I learn off of here. It never fails. A majority of Christians bullshit when they don’t have an answer. I maybe got one honest answer from that guy saying he didn’t have evidence. But. BUT. The next day he was cooking up some major deist or creationist bullshit statement and he told me that there was evidence everywhere of a creator and that all I had to do was look & I was like “are you fucking kidding me?” He even pulled the “tree” card. No, a tree is not evidence.
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Agreed with always look to the obvious, and the point about not all theists being dishonest, or even ill meaning.
Not dishonest or ill meaning, though, doesn’t always equal rightness in argument or the points therein, though, IME.
I buy broken guitars, fix them, then sell them on. Occasionally I’ll run across an instrument for sale that has indications of being a counterfeit but the seller will insist otherwise, as they bought it (at an inevitably inflated price) from someone who either assured them it was a genuine article or the buyer wasn’t quite able to discern the telltale signs of it being a bad deal and shelled out the money.
Now that the buyer has become the seller, they are dealing without dishonesty or malice but the premise of their sale of the real thing is flawed as someone has sold them a bad item on the sly.
IMHO, religious indoctrination sells the bad item sold on the sly; a well meaning and “honest” theist is the buyer who has now become the seller, and must defend the value of their questionable item by whatever means because of the heavy investment.
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Damn, that is a fantastic analogy. I need to remember that one, I’ve struggled to explain my views of theists in such a simple articulated manner.
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lol because xtians don’t want to see it from our perspective, they will refuse to see why we disbelieve in their silly superstitions. In fact they believe they have the best definitions that describe us. They want to believe for us and jump to conclusions. They believe they know us better than we know ourselves. No one knows your beliefs better than a Christian does. Gotta love putting up with their sanctimonious judgmental bullshit.
I’ve had so many xtians tell me what I’m supposed to believe. Here’s a good one from the lips of an asshole that I talked to and used to work with. He concluded that I’m an atheist because I am rebelling against “god” and that I just want to go out and whore around with women and do what I want. He pretty called it an act and that everyone believes in Christ deep down inside.
Some of these people you really can’t have a discussion with. Because they believe they have psychic powers and believe they know EVERYTHING ABOUT EVERYTHING.
Yea, I’m just saying I didn’t quite picture peoples relationships with god(s) as so transactional in the sense that it’s like playing a good hand bad in Texas Holdem poker. Getting in too deep on a hand that looks great before the flop to bully the table, then seeing three cards on the flop that totally shit up your hand. Then bluff thinking shit I can’t fold since I’m in this deep, even though you quite literally know you have a 1% chance of hitting two consecutive cards for a best possible hand.
Not so much guilt or fear of damnation keeping people tied to religion but literally your investment of time, money, personal life, and social status. Leaving would mean tossing all that out. Being a friendless loser in a suburban hellhole and having no money invested or social status in the church community, I easily walked away from it all in that sense. That seems like a nightmarish hell thinking about that.
I struggled with plenty of my identity leaving the church, but nothing really involving my social status or any kind of investment in a church “family”. Even the idea of knowing I’ve put so much money literally into something that I now don’t believe in is something I have to imagine. I feel very fortunate in this sense.
Edit: Additional thought, the nightmare of realizing it’s all stupid and horrendous but having to sell myself on tagging along but not believing. To maintain some lifestyle and family image out of guilt for ruining someone else’s lives like my wife or kids……
shit I might need to put the weed down now. Every time I think I can’t imagine another awful angle of religion in such vivid sickening detail, I some how I do……don’t do drugs kids