What's wrong with the bible?

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I wouldn’t say its even that, because that would imply you’re sensing that you are experiencing nothing.

More like how you were before you were born, you didn’t sense anything because you didn’t exist yet, when you die your consciousness ceases to exist, so it is a complete lack of awareness.

Now this is a tricky one, because I cannot know this, it’s a belief, and I’ve fallen into the obvious trap.

We can only go on what we experienced before life, or what we didn’t experience, so to say.

I’ve been in a lot of fights, in and out of the ring, I’ve been knocked unconscious more times than I can remember, my experiences of these, were almost like a time jump.

Hours could pass but in mind, it was instant, there is a gap in my memory of what occurred during the time I was unconcious.

Obviously the subconscious could still be aware during unconcious, take coma patients for example.

Honestly, this is a bit of a paradoxical mind melt for me.

Our brains aren’t functioning so we don’t sense anything, it’s just nothing?

I’m just going to have to say, I don’t know on this one.

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You don’t have to believe it for it to be “evidence.” You said “There is no evidence” and you are demonstrably WRONG! Now we are engaged in a discussion about, “What counts as evidence. How do we know when evidence is sufficient for belief?” If I say my father died and resurrected after three days, would you believe me? How about if I wrote it down in a book and told you that 500 people, whose names and addresses I do not have, witnessed it? Is this good evidence? If it is not good evidence for my claim about my father, how is it good evidence for a claim about Jesus? How do we decide what qualifies as good evidence to substantiate a claim. This is where the discussion goes.

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Yes I did and I’m so ashamed.

I’m actually aware that evidence is literally anything presented in support of an argument.

I should have said credible evidence, by which I mean demonstrated empirically by the use of scientific method. Is that better dad.?

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@Wily_cat

Have you ever received a general anaesthetic? Three times in my life I had this, you count backwards from ten, never reaching 1, and then come around without having any conscious memory, not even light dreams.

And this is from a functioning brain, when it ceases to function I don’t believe there is anyway for my consciousness to avoid ceasing with it, unless someone can demonstrate any objective evidence that show a single instance of human consciousness existing in the absence of a functioning human brain.

Memories of me will live on for a while in those who knew and remember me, and some of my DNA in my nephews and niece, but I what we currently know about the human brain indicates that I will cease to exist in any meaningful way when that brain dies.

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I have, I was with my first love at the time, and even after I woke up, I wasn’t acting myself, apparently I wouldn’t let go of her, and was practically dry humping her leg all day.

(I have no memory of the incident or the entire day after I woke up, the morning the next day is very fuzzy too)

I went into a chip shop the next week, and the staff started laughing, apparently I had done some very comedic things in front of them that day. :confounded:

Just glad it wasn’t recorded and posted online.

Side note, the thread I just created in the Atheist hub, is loosely related to this subject

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BINGO! And FievelJ is HOPEFULLY LEARNING A THING OR TWO!!! (I think we all know what he means when he goes on his rants but his rants make him sound ignorant.) Occasionally I check in on Atheist Chatzy. The atheists on the site are a bunch of ignorant dweebs. (Not talking about Mike, who seems to have his shit together.) Most of them mouth off, make one unsubstantiated claim after another and spend much of the time simply insulting the christians or muslims that log in.

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Is this a real place with a link? Hehehehe

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There’s this YouTube channel that I enjoy listening to, when I’m doing random chores ect…

The Atheist experience, sometimes the main host is in a right foul mood and takes it out on the callers seemingly, it can be quite funny to listen to, but sometimes he is pretty chilled, he HATES being interrupted though. :joy:

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I listen too … funny - while “cooking” - also “judge Judy” (love her!)

I have no problems with “how they see fit, when - where - how to call someone an idiot!”

He doesn’t “get mad”

He gets irritated and annoyed and “fuck -
STOP thinking about “what you are going to say” AND just listen first. OR answer the question FOR clarity first - yup :+1:

(BTW - you might think??? Judge Judy??? BUT that court (consumer/civil matters) accepts only the lowest forms of “evidence” - so if you need to know “how low can you go for evidence that has some acceptance somewhere well, she’ll teach you”

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http://www.chatzy.com/13129382333368

It’s not really worth the effort. It is actually interesting to see who is out there calling themselves Atheist. Typically when these sorts make an appearance on AR, the Atheists on here call them out on their bullshit and they do not hang around long enough to learn anything. They think “We are all atheists. We like ignorantly bashing religious folks. We can say any dipshit stuff we like because… heck… all us atheists stick together…”

NO! If you sound like an asshole, you sound like an asshole and someone is going to call you on it.

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No - just for an odd laugh :face_with_hand_over_mouth:. I like variety.

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Is this enough to get me “in” …
Hehehehe. Can you guess how I picked my “name” and “color”!!!

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With a name like that, you could fit in with the cool crowd, if these forums are for theist bashing :thinking:

I might check it out myself, but I rarely find enjoyment out of being a troll anymore, those days are behind me :see_no_evil:

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Yeah, a couple of times, when I was 8. I had managed to fall down an open cut mine and broken myself. It was ether ,via a cloth over my nose and it was awful. Apparently took two nurses to hold me down.

Best time was with my first gastroscopy, about 40 years ago. Was given intravenous valium. High as a kite for hours. Took me ten minutes to to put my pants on. Wife drove me home. Once home decided I wanted a cup of tea. Turned the gas on and wondered off. Returned a few minutes later and lit the gas.
The small explosion burned off my eyebrows. Then went and had a lie down. Wife went back to work.

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At least that there’s no evidence for a god of any type. Though I do have some problems letting go of the dumb Christian ways, which some of you know that book better than I do. I know The Gunslinger book better probably than the bible, I just don’t care anymore. Everything I was ever taught about Jesus Christ and God were lies. Or mostly anyways.

Lets just say it is not always easy letting go after most my life I believed in it. I have only been atheist for 3 years or so and am 50, cut me some slack.

:wink:

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Fuck Again! Why do you insist on making bullshit claims. I gave you 3 categories of evidence with fucking examples. How ignorant do you want to appear to be Fievel?

More inane fucking bullshit. You need to stop posting when you are high and get the fuck over being angry at religion. Your anger makes you say really stupid shit. You can not demonstrate one single thing Jesus allegedly said is a lie. You can not demonstrate to any degree of certainty “certainty” that everything you were taught was a lie.

Here in lies your problem. You are not letting go. You are fighting back. You are mud slinging and you do not realize that there is absolutely no need to do that. YOU DON’T GET IT.

Look; two teams of people are going to have a tug-o-war. The rope is laid out over a huge pit of mud. The atheists are on one side and the theists on the other. Everyone picks up their end of the rope and begins to pull. The argue back and forth and take turns dragging each other through the mud. What’s the point!

THINK! All you need do is ask them, “Why should I pick up the rope?” “I see no reason at all to engage with you. You keep making these assertions, do you have any rational explanations, evidence or support for them?” You can not lose the match if you do not pick up your end of the rope. You can not lose a discussion if you do not make STUPID ASSERTIONS THAT YOU HAVE NO ABILITY AT ALL TO DEMONSTRATE ARE TRUE.

Put the rope down. Walk away. Instead of asserting Jesus was a liar, ask the question, “Did Jesus ever actually present us with profound truths?”

He did not tell us about the Germ theory of disease. In fact, he told us nothing that went into out mouths could harm us.

He told us that if we thought about adultery (crime) we had already committed it. What a terrible idea. Thought crime legislation.

He said we should love our neighbors? Really? Are not some people simply not worth loving?

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