What is this evidence of God atheists talks about?

Yes who said otherwise?

Yes, Allah is all powerful and all knowledgeable and if he wanted something through his unlimited wisdom and knowledge then he does it.

The only thing I notice is the lack of any details in your reply

Working perfectly, the Quran has never been altered for more than 1400 years.

… start reading and it may address your questions.

AND as for the universe…yup. The evidence of ā€œbeatingā€ incredible ā€œoddsā€ - we’re ā€œhereā€.

…had the forms not evolved as this did in our species AND if your dad had not had sex with your mom at that particular time, and that one in a million single sperm hadn’t hit that particular egg - FOLLOW it back to your grandparents and on and on. Had one married a different person, didn’t have a miscarriage, masturbated - etc etc… if if if - you shouldn’t be according to the ā€œprobabilitiesā€. Yet you are. Yet, so am I. Ohhhh, and so is the universe. AND at this ā€œtime/spaceā€ the universe has conditions for ā€œlifeā€. It didn’t always. AND eventually, it will not, again (as far as we know - at least in this area of what we call the ā€œuniverseā€).

Okay, I read enough and done lots of research about human evolution to know that it is a Hoax. I will soon start another debate room dismantling all the supposed ā€œevidenceā€ for Human evolution Hoax.

ā€œIncredible oddsā€ is an oversimplification but I excuse you for the lack better terms. If the mass and energy of the early universe were not evenly distributed to a precision of 1 part in 10^10^123 the universe would be hostile to life in any form.
The precision of 1 part in 10^10^123 is not simply ā€œincredible oddsā€, it is design my friend :wink:

So god KNEW his word via the Torah and New Testaments would be corrupted, and DID IT ANYWAY

Yet it still requires a bunch of humans to explain it outside of what is written in the text (this is just granting your claim - at this point).

If god is ā€œall knowingā€, he knew his communication choice would be faulty and result in confusion and divisions. All of it, from the first ā€œwritingsā€. So - this MUST be what this god of choice wants, otherwise it wouldn’t ā€œbeā€.

Do you read my posts in their entirety?

I am reading yours in their entirety.

You exist. The universe exists.

Demonstrate a ā€œdesignerā€ beyond the natural world/universe in which we live.

I believe your research is confined to what you are biasly presented with. It is not a hoax.

I am restating this question.

It is an important question, and to continue, I need an answer.

So far, to get a feel for your ā€œbeliefs/faithā€, I’ve allowed you to express yourself unchallenged on certain claims.

For one, the simple claim that the Torah and New Testament were from god and that the Quran is also.

To move forward…I would like to know your standard for evidence (if you have any).

Yes God knew this would happen, and chose to go with it so that the wicked ones who corrupted them have no argument in the day of judgement. We are in a test in this life. if we believe and do good deeds then we enter heaven, if we disbelieve and corrupt the world we go to hell. No one will be treated unjustly by Allah on the day of judgement. This is all part of the test.

It is sent down to humans, Quran doesnt require humans to explain it. It requires that humans read it and understand it. Explaining it to people who are not very good with the language is not wrong though. I dont see your point.

The difference in interpretation is in the minor details only, which is a mercy from Allah. But there is no misunderstanding or confusion in the Axioms of Religion. All muslims believe in One god, and in his books, his prophets, his angels, and in the day of judgement and in fate.

I can say the same thing to you

As for myself, as it’s only fair, I am an atheist as defined by my disbelief (or non-belief in any deity). I have not been convinced of one or many existing. It is not a counter-position of there is no god. I just remained unconvinced there is.

I have encountered theists (defined by a belief in god) giving me reasons for their faith. But, when it comes to evidence, it usually falls into personal experience (their interpretation/perception), word-of-mouth (heresay), and an old book of choice (some it’s a new book, like the Book of Mormon), or a person claiming god talks to them or particular people can prophecy, etc etc.

It seem their requirements for evidence to support their choice of deity doesn’t apply to other areas in which they make decisions in their lives. AND most theists don’t have the same level of belief in other people’s gods based on the same standard for evidence.

So, the divide between Shia and Sunni is a ā€œminorā€ detail and the resulting wars/death in amongst the followers of Allah is a mercy?

You can say it - but, when the time comes (if it does) for you to start an evolution thread, we’ll see.

The fact you use ā€œdesignerā€ demonstrates a bias.

The fact I do not, does not indicate a pre-supposition. In fact, it is absent of any presupposition, and therefore, more open-minded to demonstrated evidences.

Logic is the only standard. And logic led me to believing that Allah is our creator. therefore I base my life decisions on what Allah told me to do in the Quran.
This Logic started by recognizing that the evidence for a creator is overwhelming after look at the fine-tuning of the universe. And comparative religion studies led me to believe that Allah is our creator.

Political difference resulted in war and death.

I believe in one Creator who created and designed this universe. Of course I am biased towards it. You want me to lie?

I don’t want you to lie. I have an expectation of honesty.
I also have a standard for myself in all things related to decision making… to get as close to what is true as humanly possible.

Now for logic. No one puts up their hand and says - ā€œhey! I’m illogical!ā€ :smirk:. Nor do people make decisions without ā€œreasonā€ or ā€œreasonsā€.

So, to ensure there is an understanding of logic; what it means:

  • a science that deals with the principles and criteria of validity of inference and demonstration : the science of the formal principles of reasoning
    This includes fallacies AND
    a particular mode of reasoning viewed as valid or faulty

I’m including a link:

The same claim can be made for the Torah and New Testament. That politics corrupted. Appears that the same has occurred in the 1400 years since the last god writing :writing_hand:

https://www.google.ca/amp/s/www.nytimes.com/2016/01/04/world/middleeast/q-and-a-how-do-sunni-and-shia-islam-differ.amp.html

How is ā€œknowing and allowingā€ this in anyway mercy or benevolent to the victims of war?

Thanks for the link, if you want to talk about logic this way then granted almost nothing can be proven by logic. For example:

Post hoc ergo propter hoc: This is a conclusion that assumes that if ā€˜A’ occurred after ā€˜B’ then ā€˜B’ must have caused ā€˜A.’

So would that mean when I say for example:
Fire touched the wood, the wood then started burning. Fire must have caused the wood burning.
This would be a fallacious statement?? Interesting. That would make empirical science entirely fallacious.

Fire is not needed for wood to start burning. An electrical spark (which is not fire) may have caused it. Or a rock falling on another rock, causing a spark. Or you can start fire with friction causing heat, then chemical reactions that release volatile gases, which catch fire. Or you could have used a lens focusing sun light on the piece of wood. Thus, there might be a number of reasons the wood caught fire.

Hahaha. You started with a straw-man.

This is the technique of restating an argument (out of context) then arguing for the false argument ā€œset-upā€

The example in the brief fallacy explanations states:
I drank bottled water and now I am sick, so the water must have made me sick.

In this example, the author assumes that if one event chronologically follows another the first event must have caused the second. But the illness could have been caused by the burrito the night before, a flu bug that had been working on the body for days, or a chemical spill across campus. There is no reason, without more evidence, to assume the water caused the person to be sick.

In your ā€œstraw-manā€ argument, the inclusion of further evidence …

actually supports what the logical fallacy is trying to distinguish by presenting evidence (the ā€œfireā€)