⦠start reading and it may address your questions.
AND as for the universeā¦yup. The evidence of ābeatingā incredible āoddsā - weāre āhereā.
ā¦had the forms not evolved as this did in our species AND if your dad had not had sex with your mom at that particular time, and that one in a million single sperm hadnāt hit that particular egg - FOLLOW it back to your grandparents and on and on. Had one married a different person, didnāt have a miscarriage, masturbated - etc etc⦠if if if - you shouldnāt be according to the āprobabilitiesā. Yet you are. Yet, so am I. Ohhhh, and so is the universe. AND at this ātime/spaceā the universe has conditions for ālifeā. It didnāt always. AND eventually, it will not, again (as far as we know - at least in this area of what we call the āuniverseā).
Okay, I read enough and done lots of research about human evolution to know that it is a Hoax. I will soon start another debate room dismantling all the supposed āevidenceā for Human evolution Hoax.
āIncredible oddsā is an oversimplification but I excuse you for the lack better terms. If the mass and energy of the early universe were not evenly distributed to a precision of 1 part in 10^10^123 the universe would be hostile to life in any form.
The precision of 1 part in 10^10^123 is not simply āincredible oddsā, it is design my friend
So god KNEW his word via the Torah and New Testaments would be corrupted, and DID IT ANYWAY
Yet it still requires a bunch of humans to explain it outside of what is written in the text (this is just granting your claim - at this point).
If god is āall knowingā, he knew his communication choice would be faulty and result in confusion and divisions. All of it, from the first āwritingsā. So - this MUST be what this god of choice wants, otherwise it wouldnāt ābeā.
Yes God knew this would happen, and chose to go with it so that the wicked ones who corrupted them have no argument in the day of judgement. We are in a test in this life. if we believe and do good deeds then we enter heaven, if we disbelieve and corrupt the world we go to hell. No one will be treated unjustly by Allah on the day of judgement. This is all part of the test.
It is sent down to humans, Quran doesnt require humans to explain it. It requires that humans read it and understand it. Explaining it to people who are not very good with the language is not wrong though. I dont see your point.
The difference in interpretation is in the minor details only, which is a mercy from Allah. But there is no misunderstanding or confusion in the Axioms of Religion. All muslims believe in One god, and in his books, his prophets, his angels, and in the day of judgement and in fate.
As for myself, as itās only fair, I am an atheist as defined by my disbelief (or non-belief in any deity). I have not been convinced of one or many existing. It is not a counter-position of there is no god. I just remained unconvinced there is.
I have encountered theists (defined by a belief in god) giving me reasons for their faith. But, when it comes to evidence, it usually falls into personal experience (their interpretation/perception), word-of-mouth (heresay), and an old book of choice (some itās a new book, like the Book of Mormon), or a person claiming god talks to them or particular people can prophecy, etc etc.
It seem their requirements for evidence to support their choice of deity doesnāt apply to other areas in which they make decisions in their lives. AND most theists donāt have the same level of belief in other peopleās gods based on the same standard for evidence.
You can say it - but, when the time comes (if it does) for you to start an evolution thread, weāll see.
The fact you use ādesignerā demonstrates a bias.
The fact I do not, does not indicate a pre-supposition. In fact, it is absent of any presupposition, and therefore, more open-minded to demonstrated evidences.
Logic is the only standard. And logic led me to believing that Allah is our creator. therefore I base my life decisions on what Allah told me to do in the Quran.
This Logic started by recognizing that the evidence for a creator is overwhelming after look at the fine-tuning of the universe. And comparative religion studies led me to believe that Allah is our creator.
I donāt want you to lie. I have an expectation of honesty.
I also have a standard for myself in all things related to decision making⦠to get as close to what is true as humanly possible.
Now for logic. No one puts up their hand and says - āhey! Iām illogical!ā . Nor do people make decisions without āreasonā or āreasonsā.
So, to ensure there is an understanding of logic; what it means:
a science that deals with the principles and criteria of validity of inference and demonstration : the science of the formal principles of reasoning This includes fallacies AND a particular mode of reasoning viewed as valid or faulty
The same claim can be made for the Torah and New Testament. That politics corrupted. Appears that the same has occurred in the 1400 years since the last god writing
Thanks for the link, if you want to talk about logic this way then granted almost nothing can be proven by logic. For example:
Post hoc ergo propter hoc: This is a conclusion that assumes that if āAā occurred after āBā then āBā must have caused āA.ā
So would that mean when I say for example:
Fire touched the wood, the wood then started burning. Fire must have caused the wood burning.
This would be a fallacious statement?? Interesting. That would make empirical science entirely fallacious.
Fire is not needed for wood to start burning. An electrical spark (which is not fire) may have caused it. Or a rock falling on another rock, causing a spark. Or you can start fire with friction causing heat, then chemical reactions that release volatile gases, which catch fire. Or you could have used a lens focusing sun light on the piece of wood. Thus, there might be a number of reasons the wood caught fire.
This is the technique of restating an argument (out of context) then arguing for the false argument āset-upā
The example in the brief fallacy explanations states:
I drank bottled water and now I am sick, so the water must have made me sick.
In this example, the author assumes that if one event chronologically follows another the first event must have caused the second. But the illness could have been caused by the burrito the night before, a flu bug that had been working on the body for days, or a chemical spill across campus. There is no reason, without more evidence, to assume the water caused the person to be sick.
In your āstraw-manā argument, the inclusion of further evidence ā¦
actually supports what the logical fallacy is trying to distinguish by presenting evidence (the āfireā)