@David_Killens @Get_off_my_lawn @MrDawn @JoelInbody and everyone
Tell me, did you take note of these two things I mentioned and explained ?
Mind takes decisions, or we take decisions almost unconsciously.
It’s not possible for one thing to react in two different ways to another thing, unless that one thing is mixture of two different things with different concentrations.
This below quoted posts have some explanation:
Here’s the research related to mind taking decisions unconsciously
I have been on this forum for a few months now (as a relatively new member), and I have never seen anything more convoluted than this. Talk about confusion as heck!
I can’t make anything out of it.
We used to get crazies like this all the time. But they seemed to have tapered off (my bet is they are out bothering the rest of the world by spreading nonsense about Covid19 right now).
@Nyarlathotep Oh yeah, like how COVID is punishment by God or how this is all a play of God for His own entertainment or fun, or some nonsense like that. Thank God I don’t believe in God! 
Where did you get your PHD in Bullshit?
@MrDawn All theists/religious believers, are classically trained, in the subtle art of bullshit.
@Nyarlathotep I believe you. What you’re telling me does not describe my own experience.
You raise the point of touching someone on the head to determine if they were a hallucination. To apply that to my cases, I’m arguing that something like this was presented to priests in temple shrines each day. If, hypothetically, they hallucinated statue-Anubis or statue-Utu eating meat from a dish, for instance, that meat would remain there for them to find afterwards. I argue this would cause them to doubt the hallucination. But I haven’t found any descriptions that describe priests drinking alcohol or any other beverage before feasting rituals
Information on Hallucatinations:
Unfortunately, they do not mention one’s religious or spiritual belief in any God or Gods, as one of the causes, because that is pretty damn accurate.
Phoenix101 reminds me of a child. A mentally challenged child in the back seat that keeps asking “Are we there yet?”
What fun! I would have loved to join in the festivities. In Korea we have a traditional song called Pansori. When I hear it I often sing along. I get a lot of giggles, some laughs, and no one has yet gotten offended. Pansori: South Korea’s Authentic Musical Storytelling - YouTube
@MrDawn I always think of religious believers like little children - they also have imaginary friend(s).
I am familiar with that process. All that does for me is reveal what an amazing thing the brain is, and that we are far from uncovering how it works.
We have something similar in a computer. The processor makes all the calculations. it receives the inputs, crunches the numbers, then displays the results on a monitor or other output device. There is a time delay between when the processor has the numbers crunched, and the output is displayed.
There are many brain processes that operate in an unconscious level. A few weeks ago I was holding a precious glass object, and it slipped through my fingers. In a fraction of a second, before I was truly aware on what was going on, I reached out and grabbed that object. Everything happened at a subconscious level. If my response operated at a subconscious level, I have no reason to doubt that in my mind, other processes are also performing such functions, such as decision-making.
@Phoenix101 all you are attempting to do is insert “god” or some other supernatural entity into the brain’s processes, with zero evidence.
@David_Killens This reminds me of something…we know that computers can produce holograms .So if our brains are like computers, then the universe is hologram, as a projection of our mind or brain? I know some Advaita teachers say this, as well as the Mind-Only (i.e., Chittamatra) school of Buddhism.
And I find this very idea to be not only very UNCONVINCING, but just plain nonsensical. Sheesh!
To me: that sounds like wild speculation, generated for the sole purpose to make your model immune to criticism (not to defend it, but to make it immune to attack, a no true Scotsman). Perhaps you should reconsider.
I agree. I live my life based on the reality presented to me. I receive input through my senses, my brain does the calculating, and that output is actions or an internal dialogue. Based on confirmation from others, that model appears to be the reality I live in.
All this woo woo with absolutely zero evidence. And some actually buy into this … wow.
@Nyarlathotep I hear you. I don’t see the No True Scotsman. If you’d like to explain more, I’ll listen because we’re both staying calm today.
@David_Killens How is seeing the world as a product of the mind, any different from suffering from a hallucination, especially drug induced? That is probably where they got such an idea from.
It seems you’ve created a whole false narrative ( about hallucinations) to preemptively reject any suggestion critical of your model. With this methodology you could easily establish or reject anything you want. We are all probably guilty of this from time to time.
@Nyarlathotep The narrative presents itself to me from the texts I’ve read. In order for priests to divide up the statue’s offerings among themselves, they eventually had to carry away the serving vessels. That means they would have felt how heavy they were, that’s a given, and probably would have looked down into them. I don’t think this is speculation, it’s a matter of the position of bodies required for such actions.
With that said, I admit and I have admitted that hallucinations are a viable hypothesis. I don’t accept them as an explanation, but I have never tried to rule them out completely. I can’t do that. Some of my objections to the hallucination hypothesis are not narrative-based, e.g., that texts do not describe priests eating or drinking anything before ceremonies, that hallucinations cannot consume offerings.
This is getting a little meta for me so I hope I’m speaking to your point.
You have posted quite a bit of wildly inaccurate statements about drugs and hallucations, presumably to do exactly that.
I don’t think you are capable of having a rational conversation about this subject at this point in time. I think you are too committed to your model, because it is yours. I think I’m wasting our time.