Hello all, sorry for my slow reply I checked the site yesterday to reply but I got the cloudflare page stating the site is down.
Looks like there’s been some misunderstandings which I’m happy to clarify.
It seems the misunderstandings largely come from the concept I included at the start of my original post of “Love Muslims hate Islam”. If I were posting in any other forum I’d have written more to explain this concept, I didn’t here as I assumed that most of you came here from the Atheist Republic youtube channel (?) where Armin has explained this concept many times.
Love Muslims: Most Muslims in the west thankfully are cultural Muslims meaning that they do not advocate some of the core tenets of Islam, eg Sharia law (The national poll I learned about from Mahyar Tousi youtube channel stated 40% do advocate for this in the UK), as well as living in a way to maximise your chances in the after life even at the expense of your life on earth. This concept also recognises that the group which hurts Islam the most are Muslims. Cultural Muslims have created their own religion because they’re good people, as Islam is undeniably a prescriptive religion it cannot be called Islam without including all tenets from the Quran such as Sharia, versus of the word and many of the other terrible concepts.
Hate Islam: As this is an Atheist forum you all can probably site off a bunch of reasons why Islam causes massive harm around the world. Personally I agree with Armins characterisation of Islam as a mind virus.
The problem I’m referring to in the original post is the spread of this mind virus and the potential for it to ultimately be the in the minds of the majority of citizens of the UK within a few decades.
To clarify here’s what I’m not advocating for:
- An ethno state
- Mass deportation of Muslims
- Removing any rights from Muslims
- Subjugating Muslims
- Forming a negative opinion of Muslims simply based on the fact that they are Muslim as they are most often cultural Muslims. The negativity I feel towards the very significant number who advocate all tenets of Islam including Sharia law and the versus of the sword etc etc etc come from fear that they may ultimately be successful at adding the UK to a global caliphate mostly through demographic change.
What I am advocating for in my three solutions:
*Helping Muslims who feel trapped in Islam due to their circumstances including retribution from family members if leave Islam (become an apostate).
*Helping Muslims (especially the women) to be certain of their rights protected by UK law.
*Helping Muslims to deradicalise their community by enforcing treason laws to deport those who advocate acting out the versus of the sword in order to get rid of the liberal legal system and install a system of Sharia law which is in direct contradiction to western values.
With all of that said I’ll go through your specific objections which are not answered by the text above.
“Since only 6% of the UK population are Muslims I am extremely dubious about your claim”
I’ll include the math performed by chat gpt4o below:
“people are aloud to hold any religious beliefs they like”
Agreed I’m proud that this is one of the aspects of western culture. What I’m advocating for is helping Muslims in ways to win the war of ideas and to help those who already want to leave Islam.
" Muslims born in the UK are British by definition, wtf is the word white in there, that’s just racist? Also the birth rate is only one variable, for example not all children will necessarily keep the religious beliefs of their parents. You are making large assumptions, and this is sounding a little like bigotry now."
When projecting demographics it’s entirely normal to include the largest ethnic groups in order to determine how the country may change, this is done by the ONS and there is absolutely nothing racist about it. It would be useless to have a single group called “British” because everyone is a British citizen. Citizenship and Ethnicity are different.
Here’s a separate point on Ethnicity: I’m a big fan of global diversity of Ethnicity and celebrating our differences and similarities. I don’t believe in the erasure of any ethnicity around the world, be it a natively Black country in Africa, or the Japanse ethnicity or the Arab ethnicity or the European ethnicity. For this reason countries around the world historically have limited their inward migration to a level which is low enough to ensure that the new migrants can be assimilated into the country (taking into account differential fertility rates) without changing the native ethnicity of the country.
Regarding old man shouts at clouds that’s obviously all just abuse based on his misunderstandings, so I’m not going to respond apart from to say that it’s reasonable that on any forum, any post the sole purpose of which is to hurl abuse without contributing to the debate should not be tolerated. For this reason I’ll be reporting his post to the mods. I won’t be advocating for a ban as he may be reasonable when not misunderstanding someone, unless of course he makes a habit of this?
I’m interested in your response to this message, do you still think I’m racist, bigoted, small minded, have a small pp etc? If so please include your reasoning.
Do you think that Islam is a mind virus?
- If so do you think it is worth thinking about in terms of solutions to help those who are infected?
- If so do you have any suggestions?
- Do you think there’s no risk from Islam and never will be regardless of if it ever becomes a majority in the UK?
- Even with 40% of the Muslim community advocating Sharia?
- Did I miss any of your points?
Mike
