The Trinity was an idea adopted by the Roman church in the 3rd Century. A man called Tertullian (wiki him) proposed and wrote several texts about it. It became dogma largely because the Roman Church was in a power struggle with the hundreds of gnostic christianities and the Syriac and Marcionite versions. It settled the obvious silliness of a three headed god, you know god the father god the son and god the penis all being equal and siting on each others right hands.
Hilariously Tertullian was never sainted by the ChurchâŚwhy? Because he joined an heretic cult, the Montanists.
Theres your answer, in historical terms the Trinity is to settle a political argument.
You mean Big Daddy, JC, and The Spook? Aww hell, kid, I heard they did a few tours around the Middle Eastern areas and northern Africa for a few years way-back-when. Their music was âokayâ I suppose, but the competition was pretty fierce. Then JC got hung up on some type of charges for pissing off the Romans. They supposedly killed him, but itâs been told Big Daddy helped him dodge that bullet. Some type of miracle or something. Anyway, there was a book written about them, but nobody has seen them since, despite JCâs promise they would be back on tour soon.
Hey @Rohan01 do you know that there is no word for god in the old testament.
Hebrew language generally doesnât have a word for god.
Word mostly associated with god is Elohim. Do you know that the word itself is in plural?
But besides all this I canât understand how do you personally get from âweâ to âtrinityâ.
Youâve started with a very very difficult subject. To understand these arguments you must firstly read the Bible. Them you have to learn all different ways in which that same text was interpreted over the past.
And most of all, please try to think about those texts as a way of ancient comprehension of the things they didnât understand.
Holy spirit, breath of life are just ancient interpretation of wind, air. They didnât know that air is particulate matter. If you donât eat, you die. If you donât drink, you die. Both food and water are visible, palpable things. Air is different and the ancients knew that you will die if you donât breathe but they didnât knew why is air important.
And thatâs how you get campfire stories.
Entire Hebrew language is based on these interpretations. Father is tent pole, mother is tent cloth, kids are the seeds of the tent
If we are talking about biblical interpretations, then you must be familiar with interlinear bible. In order discuss these topics, you must firstly understand who and how understood them and when was all that happening.
Since Atheists donât believe in gods, the trinity to us is just another fairy tale. Whether its one god or three gods in one - it doesnât make any difference to us.
If you want my opinion on the âweâ part - its most likely Godâs consort/wife that was once celebrated in Israel named Asherah. Their divorce and her removal from YHWHâs temples is recorded in Deut 16:21-22, 1Kings 14:23 and 2Kings 23:14. Yahwehâs former marriage to Asherah was substantiated in 1975 with pottery remains found at Kuntillet Ajrud in the Sinai and on the wall of an abandoned temple at Khirbet el-Qom in Hebron.
The references to Samaria (capital of the kingdom of Israel) and Teman (in Edom) suggest that Yahweh had a temple in Samaria, while raising questions about the relationship between Yahweh and Kaus, the national god of Edom.[5] The âasherahâ in question is most likely a cultic object, although the relationship of this object (a stylised tree perhaps) to Yahweh and to the goddess Asherah, consort of ĘžEl, is unclear.[6] It has been suggested that the Israelites may have considered Asherah as the consort of BaĘżal, due to the anti-Asherah ideology that was influenced by the Deuteronomistic Historians, at the later period of the kingdom.[7] Also, it has been suggested by several scholars[8][9] that there is a relationship between the position of the gÉá¸ÄŤrÄ in the royal court and the worship (orthodox or not) of Asherah.[10] In a potsherd inscription of blessings from âYahweh and his Asherahâ, there appears a cow feeding its calf.[11]
Not finding anything substantial supporting your idea of a marraige.
That is a huge IF. When I read the Bible I was never under the impression that Jesus/God/Holy Ghost (or whatever) character were the same thing; they are repeatedly presented as separate entities over and over again in the Bible.
You shouldnât give much weight to the fact that a large number of people believe something. Turn on the news; large numbers of people are tragically wrong; all the time.
And donât forget the church spent more than 1000 years murdering those who didnât agree; so sure lots of people agree with them now!
Iâm so cynical that I (half) joking sometimes suggest that the more people who believe X is true, the more likely X is false.