The Final Experiment

And if a flat out declaration doesn’t work you could write it in a book. Voila irrefutable evidence. Of course there will always be those spoil sports who will point out a bunch of fallacies.

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I work with a guy who claims to be a flat earther, but he’s the other kind: the kind who knows it’s all a farce and only goes along with it to get a laugh.

I can see how that is easy to confuse or to be confused by. Just to be clear: The sun is visible 24 hours in the antarctic summer (northern hemisphere winter), and it is below the horizon for 24 hours during antarctic winter (northern hemisphere summer). Likewise with arctic summers with 24 hours daylight during antarctic winters, and 24 hours of darkness during arctic winter/antarctic summer.

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Ahhhh!
So, there’s no ice to melt anyway. That makes sense. Nature just does a fantastic job of taking care of herself. So, do like, the polar bears and penguins migrate to the north pole during the summer when it is hot? Hey? Why aren’t there poles in the east and west too? I bet you guys never thought to ask that question. No! The country of Haawwii is not a pole. I looked it up on Gloggle.

I’m wondering if anyone here has personally experienced the 24 hour sun? It looks to be a bit of a tourist attraction, at least in the northern hemisphere. Doesn’t really appeal to me. I hate being cold. The older I get the more I lean toward comfort and hedonism :slightly_smiling_face: .

The furthest North I have been is Narvik, Norway. The sun was out at 9 PM. I went there with a friend and we thought we were going to see the Northern Lights. (We weren’t too bright back then.) Back then??? Anyway, it was the wrong time of year. Absolutely, breathtaking country. It’s like a postcard picture without the postcard. Amazing! But the world still looks flat from Norway. I’ve been there and I have seen it.

I grew up with it. It’s quite nice to have sunlight all day and night. It’s quite convenient for outdoor activities.

With the heatwaves they’ve had in central and southern europe during summer, a lot of people from there go to the Nordics for their summer vacation, to cool off - “coolcation”. Although this summer, the weather in the far north was uncharacteristically hot (read: warm). Anyway, you can always just put on more clothes if you’re cold. Works most of the time. If it doesn’t, you’ve either not put on enough, or you’ve put on clothes that don’t work/are not intended to keep you warm, but just to give you the feeling that you look good (a.k.a. fashion wear).

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I have friends and acquaintances that have worked as tourist guides. They get some really stupid questions, for example “When do they they switch on the Northern lights?”, and some people are disappointed when they realise that the midnight sun is just the regular sun, not having set by midnight.

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LOL… Well, in our defense, we were in London, and just on a whim, we decided to take the train as far north as we could go. The Northern light thing was a side possibility. But it honestly did not occur to us that it was just the wrong time of the year. Late June is just not the time, but damn, there is some beautiful country up that way and I would encourage anyone to take the trip. The train ride is also amazingly scenic.

That sounds extremely unpractical. To go from London to Narvik by train(*), you’d have to first take the train to France, then to Denmark, and to get to Narvik, you’d have to go through Sweden. And most of Sweden is exceedingly boring by train. Most of the northern half of Sweden is just massive woodland. That part of Sweden is best viewed from a night train, then you can at least sleep through it.

(*) Unless you meant as far north as you could go within the UK, which would be up to Scotland. And Scotland is not far enough north for any meaningful amount of Northern lights to be visible from there.

Not quite. I’ve been to a place in Alaska where the sun does set in the summer, but it doesn’t get far below the horizon and it’s still bright twilight at midnight. So bright that no stars are visible and the sky is still blue.

I’ve been to northern Europe in the winter where the sun rose at around 10:00am and set around 2:30pm.

I’ve visited Lerwick in the Shetlands and saw a pretty good display of aurora there. Lerwick is at 60 degrees north latitude.

That’s exactly why I prefer being too cold to being too hot.

When you’re too hot, you can only take off so many clothes before being arrested. :crazy_face:

But if the jail cell was air-conditioned… Hey isn’t cooler a euphemism for jail. Aw then it would be to cold. Like the old adage, “the temperature is always better on the other side of the bars”.

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It just seems odd that many flat earthers don’t believe in a 24 hour sun when it’s so easily accessible to observe and is experienced by a lot of people on a regular basis. They do seem to just ignore the northern 24 hour sun though, which is the one many more people observe. I think they are obsessed with the south pole, since they believe it’s the edge of the world and no one is allowed there, with the exception of some guided tours. Since the final experiment sounds like it will basically be a guided tour it doesn’t help much.
I swear I feel cold just thinking about being where I could observe a 24 hour sun, and it’s been in the F 90’s here for several days :slightly_smiling_face:.

Nah. Just have a look at a map, e.g. this one form Wikipedia:

I suspect northern Canada and northern Alaska is out. Same with northern Siberia. Iceland is too far south. What’s left is the northern part of the Nordics. Northern Finland and Sweden are sparsely populated, and mosquito-ridden. Which leaves you with northern Norway, which has a livable climate for its latitude. In fact, I think you’d be surprised.

The f*cking 1990s? :thinking:

(No, I don’t get Fahrenheit temperatures or in/ft/yd/mi/oz/lb/fl.oz etc. I’'m metric only)

Yes, the BLACK FOREST. (I love the name.) After a pause in Stockholm (That was fun,) we were off again. I remember a lot of lakes and massive green expanses of land. Admittedly we did do a lot of sleeping.

That’s exactly what they do. They ignore whatever does not fit with their preconceived idea. If/when it comes up in a discussion, they do their best to ignore it, brush it away, divert the attention, ignore it again, attack and deny scientific explanations, and they employ the entire range of fallacies. In other words, classic crackpottery.

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I used to go up the Rag Bag*

*The signal bridge IIRC, where the signal flags were kept for non-radio comms. Good view of the surrounding. Any number of times I’ve seen ships come over the horizon. That term itself is a tip-off.

However, flatters have no good way to depict how their solar system would work. Flat disk with a sun shining ONLY on one side as it goes around and the Moon locked opposite the Sun. Because you never see the Moon in the daytime.