An emergent property of a functioning brain. It all starts there, and all the evidence points to that.
Assisted consciousness? You mean drugged out of their gourd? So out of it NOT ONE copy of this code has been produced…Ratty you will have to do better in your fantasies
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Exactly, lets learn how consciousness works objectively by studying the brain and brain states, before we start distorting how it works with hallucinogenics.
…like so called NDE’s, trying to explain how brain states work, by examining brains that are not functioning normally.
See subjective claim, and no objective verification / evidence.
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I’m referring to the phenomenon of the code. Under the influence of DMT groups of people see the same stable code behind a beam of refracted laser light. They always see it while under the influence of DMT. It’s always the same when they see it, and it does not exist or behave as a hallucination.
This is how people will begin to understand it when actual scientific attempts are made to unravel the mystery of the phenomena. DMT is very similar to serotonin in shape but perhaps not so much function at a neuronal level. Nonetheless, it enhances consciousness. With the advent of technology like neurolink it is possible that the qualia of human experience will end up reproduced on the other end of a projector. At that point we will acknowledge that what these people are witnessing with their own eyes exists independently of consciousness (albeit in a very intimate relationship with consciousness - possibly at the very root of what it means to be conscious).
Or … or, we could also research the relationship between consciousness and its effects on external reality, thus revealing aspects of its nature which a purely reductionist, emergent materialistic philosophy would fail to ascertain.
DMT occurs naturally in the human body. It is produced in the lungs and other parts of the human body and clearly has a role as a neurotransmitter given the similarities it shares with serotonin in shape and composition.
Watch the video. What’s striking if you go down this rabbit hole is that they are now taking photos of single images of the laser for people high on DMT to observe. This may allow groups of people to dissect what is an immensely complicated code into “snap shots”. Some progress might be made in identifying the particular symbols of the code if this turns out to be the case.
We have no objective evidence of any such phenomenon as yet? Only a subjective claim.
Allegedly, and a big so what anyway? A drug induced altered brain state and people are making subjective claims about what they have imagined, meh?
Fixed it for you. If they all claimed to have seen a mermaid etc etc etc…
And we know this because…? Dear oh dear…
Does it now, and if “enhanced” consciousness differs to consciousness, then what we’re examining is not…fill in the blanks here…
Predicting the future is not credible objective evidence, try changing “it is possible” to it might be possible” at least.
Allegedly witnessing…or just imagining.
Oh ratty, straight to magic really? Not having a natural explanation for something is not a rational reason to assume there isn’t one, and it is fallacious to claim something to be true because we lack an alternative explanation or evidence, surely an argumentum ad ignorantiam fallacy has been explained enough times now for you not fall into this fallacy?
Using a crystal ball no doubt, only you seem to making unevidenced assumptions there again? I’ll give you a KitKat if you can see where the assumption is?
So does insulin, but if you increase it artificially the body likely won’t function the same way.
I’ll wait for someone to publish, and science to validate it thanks, as I have a load of mermaid sightings on YouTube I still haven’t checked.
Alleged code, and my allow is semantically the same as may not allow.
Alleged code, and if it turns out not to be the case..etc etc etc…as much fun as it is to see you get all excited, it would be more satisfying to see you be appropriately sceptical, and examine the claims critically.
In the early 70’s, before they started cutting it with strychnine, I dabbled in LSD. I saw a friend sitting next to me turn into a viking…beard, helmet, hair and all. Tripping in Chicago I saw a bag lady feeding pigeons turn into a witch summoning crows. As an aside, that was the last time I ever did acid in the city…
From my experience, hallucinogens merely bring out something from inside of the individual’s mind, not flip some cosmic consciousness switch.
Do I think these people saw something in the laser?
Yes.
Do I know if that vision was suggested to each of these individuals?
No.
Do I suspect it was?
Yes.
This puts me in mind of the similarities in NDEs. At this point, the general outline of how NDEs are supposed to be experienced (tunnel, light, etc) are so well known that the well is poisoned. That will influence both the content of NDEs and the recollection thereof from now on, so long as they are significantly in the public consciousness.
Once there was a news story about this code business, plus people purposely trying to see if it was true and/or reproducing it, the same was true of these DMT trips.
So strictly speaking you don’t even need someone deliberately “suggesting” anything. Their own memories and expectations provide the suggestions.
That is how we can tell the claim is bullshit. That is the first thing anyone who was serious would have done, yet it hasn’t been done yet. Mark my words: it will never be done.
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Well…flawed, certainly.
There is legitimate research being done with DMT. Since it only has a 15-30 minute shelf life in the brain it is more effective in clinical treatment settings to treat Major Depressive Disorder.
You better have Netflix in the clinic if you plan to use psilocybin…
I see videos like this as nothing more that click bait. Amusing…almost comical… Put a group of people tripping in a room, tell the group that Jimmy Hoffa is in the closet, and I guarantee you one of them is going to open the closet door and say hello. That video smacks of suggestion…Beavis and Butthead see the Matrix…fucking save me…
They are also counter productive in the attitudes people adopt when the mention of legitimate clinical research into psychedelics searches for grant funding.
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That was one of the first subjects that Ratty went on a rant about. Took a week to prove him utterly wrong in his assertions.
This is just the same. Ratty watches too much Youtube while he is on night shift.
The confirmation bias is also hard to miss, how long would it take on YouTube to find a video refuting the idea that consciousness exists or can exist without a functioning brain, yet he never posts those.
I find it interesting that reality conforms to consciousness.
The simpler explanation is the reverse.
Human consciousness is a relatively new addition, having only evolved a few hundred thousand years ago.
You also quoted my post, but failed to address it at all.
I’m not obliged to address your posts. But in this case I will. I post videos like the one above because I find them interesting. I don’t find the hypothesis that consciousness is confined to the brain especially interesting, nor does my experience align with that idea. In particular, I have the ability to speak with disembodied beings, and I know for certain that my consciousness can directly affect external reality, and I’ve seen various things which support the idea that consciousness can actually be wielded outside of the mind.
You’re going to pigeonhole me into the panpsychism camp, however, in the case of the video presented that scope of philosophy isn’t necessarily even relevant. The relevant idea with the video is that augmented consciousness can reveal deeper truths about existence.
Did you even watch the video?
Straw man, don’t address them by all means, but don’t quote them in the pretence you are.
“Rulez of the Internet”
So what, it is still supported by an enormous amount of objective evidence, while your claim consciousness can and does exist without a functioning human brain is not supported by any, let’s try bullet points.
- Your claim (that consciousness involves inexplicable magic) = zero objective evidence.
- The contrary claim that is a natural emergent property of a functioning brain = a massive amount of objective evidence.
Hmm, I believe the sporting metaphor is a slam dunk.
I don’t believe you, now do you have anything but the bare unevidenced claim? I think by now we all know the answer to that one.
Don’t tell me what I thinking, I believe I have been pretty clear on this.
Do you want to see one showing a mermaid, sigh.
The relevant point is that you have no objective evidence for your claim consciousness exists without a functioning human brain.
Have you watched the ones showing mermaids, do you believe mermaids exist, I am seeing a double standard, but that’s how confirmation bias works. FYI I took the time to explain why I’d not watched the video, you chose not to address it, no point blaming me now.
I don’t know why you keep harping on that, dude. Like it’s a fixed position which I will defend to the death.
The issue being raised with the DMT experiments is not a pan-psychism issue. If the visuals produced by the laser and the observations are fixed and repeatable, then it demonstrates that a mind under the influence of DMT interacts with reality on some other dimension.
That’s it. You seem to think that every goddamn premise I make is born out of a conviction (I have) that consciousness exists independently of the brain. What the fuck man?
I made that claim like the three months ago and stopped arguing for it. You win, bro. Consciousness does not exist independently of the brain. Time to move on.
And yet we have observations from DMT users that a fixed, repeatable, and reliable “code” appears behind laser light, indicating that consciousness and reality are symbiotic.
I’m a schizophrenic you asshole. I have my doctor’s diagnosis that I talk to disembodied beings. He just happens to call them “hallucinations”. And so do you. Like I fucking care.
Oh, Thomas. What do mermaids have to do with a repeatable experiment which reveals the same structure (“code”) behind laser light to users of DMT? I GUARANTEE you haven’t watched the video and you’re arguing against me out of both context and ignorance.
See? You’re autistic, aren’t you? You really are. You don’t know what social cues are, do you?
Nanananananananananananan? I don’t want to eat my chocolate cake, mommy! I don’t like chocolate cake! I wanted the piece with the icing on it! No!
Just watch the fucking video for Christ sake. Here. A truce. You watch the video (which is the basis for everything I’m saying) and I’ll watch this:
Oh really? I must have missed that. Are you too open minded? Are you too open minded to watch videos on topics that you know nothing about? Because that’s clearly the best way to then carry on afterwards spouting regurgitated nonsense about “consciousness doesn’t exist outside the brain”. Creating a host of straw men. Watch the video, Sheldon.