Most studies do this.
Yes. Generally, that’s all we CAN get.
It’s fine. But, yeah, if I ask something, it’s because I can’t see it myself.
Please Drew, it is no longer an issue with me. My curiosity and skepticism was triggered when I noticed the difference in search methods. I do apologize because your explanation makes sense in every way.
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I would examine the relationship between atheists and theists based on poverty and standards of living.
Then I would examine the level of domestic violence in communities with low income, versus a higher income.
My initial impression is that the more poverty, the higher the level of religion, and the lower the income, the higher the levels of domestic violence.
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It’s fine, but thank you for the apology anyway.
Good idea. Some studies look at that kind of thing, but not breaking it down by religion, surprisingly enough.
That one study looked at it, and it found a small difference but it was what you said (the one looking at DV in Zimbabwe):
Poor: 44.0%
Middle: 43.4%
Rich: 41.6%
There were stronger gaps for the religious vs non-religious ones.
That would be my guess too, but there’s also the fact that non-religious folks tend to have less places to turn than religious folks (as in the Church and the like), so it’s possible that people may be more likely to get away with abusing an atheist than a religious person.
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I’ll check that out in a little bit. Thanks!
It may be something you can sink your teeth into.
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Sure, I’ll see how it turns out when I look at it
I took a look at the study, and it was indeed interesting. It makes sense that this would have a bigger effect on male-on-female DV rather than female-on-male DV considering that men are much more into football than women, in general, so it may feel more emotional for them. However, there are studies that show that women are more violent than men when they do commit DV and commit more DV than men do (I’ll provide you with a list of studies soon), so they may just have less space to grow in their violence against their partners. Those are my 2 possible theories, currently.
Well if two groups are reporting two different rates, maybe the difference comes from the way these groups report things, and not the underlying rates themselves. Something to think about I guess. 
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…(chuckle)… More “Studies”, huh?.. (shaking my head)… As I said in another thread, most “studies” I’ve ever seen tend to be “skewed” to match the agenda of whoever requested the “study”. Please allow me to enlighten you a bit with twenty years of dealing with REAL WORLD DV situations on an almost daily basis.
Now, while women (in general) DO tend to be more vicious when they become violent, I had to arrest waaaay more males than females for DV incidents during my patrol days. And while the reasons for such incidents ranged far and wide, I don’t recall any of the ones I handled being directly instigated by any type of sports. Not saying it never happened. Just saying I never had any direct experience with such an incident myself. Anyway, regardless of what some “study” might say, I can tell you from personal experience males are subject to committing DV more than females. However, when females DO decide to lash out, they typically DO NOT hold back, and the results can often be fairly impressive.
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But it depends on which group you’re talking about. If I remember correctly, at least one study on DV against gay men or men in a relationship with another man found something interesting: when both partners were asked, they generally had low agreement rates, and were more likely to report perpetration (and when asked why the around I think 60% thought that they were NOT victims despite actually being victims, they said that it was because they weren’t women). (I shall provide the citation for this in my list of DV studies in a little bit.) It turns out that the rates the NISVS found, by only asking one partner and only asking them about victimization and not perpetration, underestimated the rate of male victims even more.
Another study (which I shall also cite in my list to come forth soon), focusing on heterosexual/straight DV, found that women not only committed DV more (as reported by both men AND women), women initiated two-sided DV more than men did.
Another study (which I shall also cite) found that, out of 32 countries, in most women committed more any physical violence and physical violence, and female dominance had a strong association with all forms of DV (male-only, female-only, and both-violent), while male dominance only had a strong association with 1 form of DV (male-only).
Those are just a couple looking at reports from both men/women (or just men-men/women-women, which I shall also bring up more later).
While certain groups have low agreement rates (such as gay men), other had high agreement rates (men-women).
Yes, more studies.
At least one of the studies was from someone who used to think DV was basically only men hitting women until he found evidence otherwise, another reported that they found the results surprising, and the last was by a gay man who was abused working with other researchers. Many studies are biased, indeed, but many of those that I have brought up and will bring up was either from feminist sources or had no bias (some may possibly have bias, it will just skip my knowledge, so I hope to avoid the biased ones, unless it’s to prove them wrong or show that their results show the opposite of what they say, as at least one I will bring forward will do).
Which does not represent every case of DV, let me remind you, but I’m curious, so please do continue.
Interesting. I’ve never heard someone who arrested people for DV say this before. Do continue.
Studies show that while police (and other) arrest more men for DV, more men are victims of DV, but are less likely to see themselves as victims than women are, and are less likely to report to certain authorities, INCLUDING POLICE. I would also like to point out that I could bring up cases from online, research papers, my mother’s own stories, and more. Also, some male victims of DV are arrested (just like a couple of female DV victims are arrested as well, though it’s moreso male victims who face this barrier).
Are you referring to the study David brought up? It’s possible that that reason was never brought up, if it did occur. However, most incidents are not caused by sports, if I believe it right. More like poverty (which can cause high levels of stress), stress, etc. If I remember correctly, fatherless men (and I mean single-mother types, not 2 parent generally) are more likely to become rapists (I will provide the citation in a little bit), so it’s possible that both male and female (or at least male) fatherless people are more likely to become abusers than 2-parent types. Also, several studies have found generally equal rates of male and female victims among teenagers, while other studies have found that male violence tends to decrease while female violence either stays the same or increases (some I believe find a decrease, but I can’t remember about that one). Others have found that male education decreases male violence, while female education/female empowerment can lead to an increase of female violence, and seeing that men generally now have lower rates of education and women have much higher levels of education and empowerment, that both are up. However, it may be a component within female education, and not female education itself, so we shouldn’t just go and deletus it, we should try to find a solution to fix it.
Also, while most studies find that women tend to get injured more in DV than men, some find that men get injured more (which was surprising the first time I read one saying that). Just pointing this one out.
Alright.
Didn’t you just admit that just because you’ve never come across an incident of sports causing DV doesn’t mean “it never happened”?
Also, personal experience =/= world experience/reality.
If personal experience equaled world experience, then there would only be female rapists/attempted rapists, most sexual assault/harassment is done by women (especially women that should now be labelled pedophiles because of the age difference and them knowing that I was 17 at the time), DV/family violence is equal, dating violence is equal (both instigators/fighters), you’re going to get stolen from many many times, you’re going to get isolated by everyone physically around you, people will either break up with or accept you for being atheist, women face no sexual harassment and men face massive amounts, and more. Like I said, personal experience =/= world experience/reality.
At least several studies have found that women commit more severe DV than men, so it’s possible that you’re catching this more than other forms of female-on-male DV.
Also, have you ever come across incidents of male-male or female-female DV?
Absolutely. Father/Sons, Mother/Daughters, Brother/Brother, Sister/Sister, Same-Sex Partners, etc.
Speaking of same-sex partner DV, those can absolutely be some of the most brutal/vicious confrontations. In the precinct area where I worked, there were very few such relationships, therefore very few such DV incidents. However, one of our four precinct areas did have a relatively large ratio of same-sex couples concentrated in a relatively small section of the downtown area. Even had to respond to that area as backup to a couple or three incidents over the years. And heard about many worse ones from other officers who regularly worked that area. Anyway, back to typical DV incidents…
Bottom line is, Domestic Violence occurs for countless reasons across every single “social level”. Yes, some demographics do tend to have higher reported rates than others. Yes, I have been involved in incidents where the female likely instigated the violence. And, yes, males are less likely to report being a “victim” of DV, depending on the circumstances. No argument on any of that. But from having BEEN THERE DONE THAT over the course of twenty years on the streets, I can tell you FIRST HAND that a majority of the DV incidents involve a female victim with her male partner as the suspect. But, hey, what the hell would I know about any of that, right? I mean, how could I possibly compete with all your months of reading studies? Silly me. 
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Alright. Thanks for telling me about that one. If you wanna expand on the same-sex incidents you came across or others told you about, feel free to.
Ok.
Like I’ve said before, and will say again, personal experience =/= world experience/reality.
Also, like I’ve pointed out, men are less likely to report to the police than women are when they are abused/a victim of DV, and are more likely to get arrested as the victim. Not saying that you necessarily arrested the male victim (seeing how you’re responding to me so far, I would believe that you have not), but others have. Some laws over time have required the man to be arrested, no matter.
Now, I’ll get you the over 200 studies. (And individual stories, since you seem to believe that that reins supreme over all else.)
The reason I dragged a bit of the conversation into sports was the simple fact that on Sunday afternoon, many sports fans get quite drunk and excited. And if their team loses, then you have a very drunk and disappointed person.
I don’t need a study to understand that there would be a lot of domestic violence in Dallas, this last Sunday evening.
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That’s true. But they would also probably be angry, so that could cause violence.
Why?
The Cowboys lost.
As Bob Dylan so eloquently stated, “you don’t need a weatherman to know which way the wind is blowing”.
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Ah, makes sense. Though I was never interested in football or sports (just male ones rarely to see the men for, uh, non-suspicious reasons), so I guess I wouldn’t really know too much about that stuff.
…(chuckle)… Yes, there IS that. And while being drunk and disappointed about a losing team may be an indirect factor in DV, it is not a direct cause for the violence that I ever encountered. Basically, all the drunkenness and disappointment does is cause the long-established underlying REAL problem to get enhanced, causing already strained tempers to flair, leading the police being called to break up yet another family fight.
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