Bingo…this is just yet another unevidenced assumption religious apologists make.
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The post contained three questions actually.
Look for ? it’s the common symbol denoting the end of a question.
It does?
There it is again, an atheist using “likely”, statistical terms without any real numbers.
There’s tons of evidence, once again you’ve gone full circle, mistaking your ignorance of God for an absence of God.
Religions are not asking, that was a lie on your part. Thus asking what’s wrong with asking is a straw man. Maybe you need to move your finger more slowly over the words.
You have presented none, and every time you’re aske you refuse to even try. So this is just another of your many lies for Jesus.
Nope, just not prepared to indulge your trolling game of lying there’s evidence, then every time refusing to offer any.
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That is a meaningless statement, if you post such inanities then how can you expect to be taken seriously?
Theists believe a mystical bearded wizard poofed everything into being with zero empirical evidence to support the claim and you’re saying others ought not to be taken seriously?!
Bold… very bold.
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To answer the original post…There’s a plethora of theists and apologists I just can’t listen to. It’s a realm chalked full of the mentally ill and out right con artists. At best it’s a rehashing of the same old debunked arguments with never ever ever any proof of a god, let alone their specific god. It also lends itself to even the best, most sincere among them defending awful things. I often find it an unpleasant experience.
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Whilst I am happy to defer to your obvious expertise on meaningless statements, you’re simply resorting to vapid churlish assertions again.
Is it possible you don’t see the irony of offering nothing at all, but a vapid churlish lie, alongside that assertion. Would a meme help dumb it down for you?
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Yes, because as always, the thiests pushing this ridiculous concept come from a position where they cannot accurately define, describe or emipiricly prove their god/designer/agent exists.
And most questions ID ask are essentially, “well science cannot explain X, so perhaps it’s brought to fruition by an intelligent agent”.
A god of the gaps fallacy.
If you think the figures pointing to unlikeliness in regards to ‘fine tuning’ are obsurd (which is a position much made by ID proponents)… what the fuck do you think the figures are like when you add in an invisible cosmic mage that cannot even be proven to exist?
I’ll wait…
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I consider myself to be very open minded when it comes to discussing God’s existence . . . just not so open minded that my brains fall out.
The reason why I lose patience with the Intelligent Design arguments is because I hear the exact same arguments over and over and over again with a nauseating regularity. They hear their arguments rationally debunked, and promptly disregard the counter arguments.
When I walk away and/or dismiss them, I’m sure that I seem closed minded . . . when it’s just my irritation.
The Kalam argument is a great example of what I’m talking about. It is (probably) the most debunked argument for God’s existence, yet Believers constantly use it now.
I also get irritated because they wish to suppress science education in schools in favor of religious doctrine when humanity is facing several existential threats, and we need scientists and engineers as a matter of survival.
Again, my irritation can be mistaken for closed-mindedness when I walk away from conversations about teaching I.D. in schools.
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He can’t demonstrate it is possible, let alone that a deity exists outside fo the human imagination. As I have said repeatedly his unevidenced and irrational claim a deity created the universe has no more explanatory powers than a wizard did it using magic. just take a look:
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How is a deity possible?
@Sherlock-Holmes [Which part are you struggling with?] -
Where did this deity come from?
@Sherlock-Holmes [I don’t know] -
How is the supernatural power to create a universe possible?
@Sherlock-Holmes [Why is anything possible] -
Where does the supernatural power to create a universe come from?
@Sherlock-Holmes [From outside the universe] -
How did a deity use supernatural powers to create the universe.
@Sherlock-Holmes [By the use of will]
So that’s1 answered with I don’t know, two answered with evasive and irrelevant questions, and 2 answered with mre bare assertions that themselves explain nothing.
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I have yet to meet a religious apologists of any stripe whose arguments demonstrated they knew what open minded meant. As with @Sherlock-Holmes rhetoric, anyone who doesn’t share his biased belief, and he immediately makes a bare accusation that they are unable to understand the evidence, except he goes further than this no true Scotsman fallacy, and makes the unevidenced assertion there is no point even trying to present any, which is of course a poisoning of the well fallacy if ever there was one. When his endless use of logical fallacies are exposed, with evidence to support those assertions, guess what his response was, an ad hominem fallacy making a bare accusation of bias to wave them away, no attempt to address them honestly at all. The irony is palpable.
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I agree . . . yet I’m not above certain things either.
You guys know my feelings about organized religion, yet I lit candles of remembrance for people who have died, and I’m fasting in observance of the Day of Atonement . . . so how is that for hypocrisy and irony?
I can understand the fulfillment that comes from religion and being a member of a cultue . . . but not requiring society to adhere to my private ideas, or forcing my views on a public school system.
My secular Judaism gives me a sense of connectedness with a part of my family, and Yom Kippur provides me with a day to consider how I can be a better person.
I never have a quarrel with someone’s religious practice any more than I judge someone’s hair style, or which sports team that they root for.
My purpose in joining this forum (and participating in Atheism in general, as I’ve had articles and letters published) is addressing the harm to humanity that’s caused by religion . . . and I include Judaism just as much as everyone else’s religion.
Also ironically, I definitely spend more time and resources exploring atheism than I do on being Jewish.
Perhaps I am a hypocrite, but I’m not perfect.
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This is one of my favourites…
Now demonstrate there is an ‘outside of the universe’.
There work is all ahead of them.
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Nothing can be empirically proven though, that’s why you’ll often hear “science doesn’t do proof” in these kinds of forums.
That’s a false statement too, if you can quote someone from the ID community who expressed that view I’d like to see it.
Which make a change from the usual naturalism of the gaps crutch we see so often here.
It’s a fact though, any claim about probabilities being high or low must be accompanied by data that supports the claim, which is this a contentious point?
When you say “debunked” do you mean proven to be false?
The arguments for God are philosophical not scientific, so many atheists miss this point and reason incorrectly that one can use scientific arguments to challenge philosophical arguments.
The proposition “The earth was created six thousand years ago with an inbuilt appearance of being much older” cannot be proven false using scientific arguments.
Proper scientists (like most of those theist scientists who drove the scientific revolution) understand this and don’t make fools of themselves in this area, but the less able thinkers (Richard Dawkins, Christopher Hitchens et al) know very little about philosophy and are constantly confusing the two disciplines.
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I bet you’re circumcised though, and likely advocate it for others too. Circumcision is genital mutilation yet we’ll see many practicing Jews and atheists alike sing its praises.
Reminiscent of eugenics, make up some baseless statistic and then claim science support circumcision when there isn’t a healthcare system in the world that agrees with this, but who cares about peer review anyway eh.
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Circumcision cuts a cis-man’s risk of contracting HIV by more than 50%. There are other diseases and illnesses that are prevented by circumcision.
Yet I do concede that if everyone used condoms properly, than this would probably be more beneficial than circumcision.
Despite humanity being “made in God’s image,” there seem to be fundamental design flaws in the human body.
The vermiform appendix may be an example (although there is research that indicates that it may serve an important role in maintaining a healthy intestinal biome, but even if this is true, the risks of peritonitis from an inflamed appendix vastly outweigh the benefit of this function), and another similar flaw may be the human foreskin.
And male circumcision is not to be compared with the female genital mutilation that is practiced in Africa, the Middle East, and in certain parts of Asia. Comparing the two is a straw man fallacy.
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