Principle of sufficient reason and free will

So magic shows are real then?

I’m dubious, but Which one?

Or they both have a conscience, and just have wildly varied ideas of what constitutes evil.

Which god, how did it do this? Strident unevidenced claims may be fun to make, but they’re tedious to read.

Morality is the ability to differentiate between a acceptable and unacceptable acts, this is an evolved and essential ability for all animals that live in societal groups.

What is the benefit of morality without mermaids? That’s what I read. It makes no sense. However a life of pure anarchy doesn’t hold much appeal to most people, for pretty obvious reasons.

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…”maybes” and “could haves” - I can roll with…

Then fuck…

A definite assertion.

The debil :smiling_imp:

Another assertion. You ever raise kids? And what do you mean by “good” and “by nature”. And “evil”? Are you speaking of the consequences of actions?

Hahahaha. Is this the bible or some other fairy tale that this is spewed from? If it’s the bible, god made the man and woman stupid and easily controlled. Is that your idea of good? And if the devil is God’s agent doing God’s will, then Ratty, all this “evil” is actually good.

Fuck, wouldn’t it have been easier to just fucking create them smart, with abilities to make choices and no demands to worship him? Jesus fuckin’Christ- you’re imagination has gone down the toilet. I preferred the meditating one…

Lol! Wow :flushed: … so the penalty after death is from the good god who spawned a good devil to test his good natured humans?

DO not have kids! Seriously. If I followed this method abuse of children would still be acceptable. Except my punishments (hand on stove, kneeling on rice, dark closet for days) can only last so long…

Lol - too bad god didn’t decide to keep using his insight…whatta dick!

What got you on a bible kick? Or maybe it’s the Koran? Something more traditional than your other “insights” and “knowing”…

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@rat_spit It appears you took some christian beliefs and dogma, threw them in a blender, and came out with a mish-mash that fits your universe controlled by the Overlord.

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Reality is the grandest illusion of all. God is the greatest Magician. It takes someone like me or the Buddha to pierce into the realms beyond perception and feeling.

The omnibenevolent, omnipotent, omnipresent One and Only One

The same God I referred to above. Virtue is the product of doing good. Shame is the outcome of doing evil. We are automatically given these two qualities when God endows us with free will

So why are the most ammoral beings in the world the richest with the most power to influence the living conditions of others?

What strengths does a mermaid have compared to God?

The probability that mermaids exist is higher than the probability your god exists.

Based on what evidence?

Based on relatively recent ( for the last 400 years) eyewitness accounts…How Mermaids Work | HowStuffWorks
https://allthatsinteresting.com/mermaid-sightings
Are Mermaids Real? – FinFriends

And many many moire. More than have seen any god or gods in the last 500 years…maybe you are experiencing a merman in your head?

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The mermaids are modeled after animals we know. Their purported method of existence has a real explanation based on the real world. They swim with fish-like appendages just like real fish use. They use their arms just like humans do. They live, they die, they do stuff.

I agree that they may be pure fantasy, but what they are and what they do actually has a link to reality.

Your imagined god does not have any link to reality. No explanation, no description. No connection.

Mermaids are more probable than your god.

“Probability”, look it up in the dictionary or Wiki.

There is one God and his main mode of Creating spontaneously does not necessarily include revealing him self to each and every sentient being in the universe.

Given that there is only one God who has the infinite power to remain inconspicuous along with the infinite wisdom to know why He should not reveal himself to the whole earthly population - it is absurd to equate God to a mythical fish-woman who populates the sea.

Perhaps if we allow for such beings - then we can allow for Big Foot and the half man half goat demigods of the Ancient Greek culture. It would come as no surprise that some of these half woman half fish creatures who merely populate our oceans are seen every once in a while.

But in dealing with God we are dealing with an invisible force. How can you compare a material mermaid to an invisible being of infinite power and wisdom?

David; I believe I have addressed your post as well.

Actually, you confirmed that mermaids are more probable.

Perhaps. But not as infinitely powerful, benevolent, and wise.

We were not discussing power or abilities, but the probabilities of existing.

Given the existence of a world in a world where it is impossible to assert any initial building blocks necessary to establish said world - it is highly probable that a force and entity not made of this world existed before it.

In other words, whereas there should in theory not be a world, there is. In theory there should only be nothing, but there isn’t.

The existence of matter points to a need to posit raw materials for the construction of any kind of universe.

Any assertion of such raw materials presupposes other prior raw materials. In other words, the supposition of a world here and now without the help of an Infinitely Poweful and Wise being falls into the error of infinite regression.

By default God exists and created the World out of nothing.

Why? I only have your word for it? Plus you have produced absolutely no external evidence at all, only personal revelation.

Surely on your own reasoning it would be absurd for me to discount “mythical fish woman” in favor of unevidenced “invisible force”?

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I am not the only one. Here is a list of Biblical prophets -

Well, considering that your evidence for these fish women organisms relies on anecdotal observations from fishermen, I don’t see why you would automatically discount the fact that I hear, see, smell, know and sense an almighty being of unimaginable intelligence - just because it’s coming from me personally.

No. Indeed, if you accept the anecdotal evidence of fishermen then it would be inconsistent to not accept my anecdotal observations of an almighty Creator being.

Is that a yes or a no on Paul Daniels literally performing magic, as opposed to conjuring illusions that fool the senses you’re claiming are solely sufficient a source of empirical evidence to validate everything our senses transmit to us?

I didn’t ask about its attributes, I asked which one?

You didn’t refer to any deity above, just made a string of unevidenced claims about its characteristics.

A rather meaningless tautology, was there a point you were making beyond the dictionary definition of the word virtue?

A demonstrably false claim, and evil is a subjective perception, it varies throughout human history, it varies from culture to culture, and rather coincidentally the deities humans invent to underpin their morality seem to be created in exactly the same malleable way to reflect this.

However I’m always open minded, please give us 3 moral absolutes.

They are not qualities, they are words we invented to describe an act and an emotion, they are also subjective. Evidence your deity please, then evidence what you describe as free will was a gift from it, rather than our autonomy being a byproduct of our evolved intellect creating the perception of choice.

I’m not sure what that has to do with my post you’ve quoted? I made no comment on the morality of the rich and powerful, though your sweeping absolute claim is frankly absurd.

The fact remains Morality is the ability to differentiate between a acceptable and unacceptable acts, this is an evolved and essential ability for all animals that live in societal groups.

Where did I claim a mermaid had any strengths? What objective evidence can you demonstrate for any deity or its “strengths”, beyond the garbled anecdotal claims for your own personal experience you’ve posted thus far?

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I’ve seen a video of them, from someone claiming they saw and filmed them, according to you that is sufficient empirical evidence for belief.

So why the double standard in your rationale?

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By pointing out that the empirical evidence for the mermaid was shared for all to see. Either personal anecdote is sufficient empirical evidence for belief or it is not, you can’t have it both ways.

Would you find the claims about mermaids more compelling, if they were claimed to be invisible and omnipotent and omniscient? That now seems to be where you have shifted the goalposts.

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You are deliberately misunderstanding my position. The sightings and interactions of mermaids are witness statements. MULTIPLE witness statements. They may have a common origin in a fish, or lizard or undiscovered sea creature, they are explainable.

You present a solus anecdotal, unwitnessed experience of a supreme magical thing. You present no evidence.

Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. Yet we only have your word. Do you see the reality yet?

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I wouldn’t leap to the conclusion it’s always deliberate tbh, as frustrating as it can be to watch @rat_spit hop about, I know from experience he finds a methodical logical rationale equally frustrating, if not more.

I don’t respond in that vein just to piss him off, just in the unrealistic expectation some of it might strike a chord, maybe cause a lucid moment.