Patriotism and stuff

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Patriotism as a remedy for nationalism: read the book !

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Agnieszka Golec de Zavala’s The Psychology of Collective Narcissism delves into how groups often harbor inflated self-views, perceiving themselves as superior and entitled to special recognition. Many groups across history and cultures exhibit these tendencies, driven by ideology, identity, or perceived destiny. Here are examples of groups, nations, institutions, and organizations that could be explored under this framework:

1. Nations with Exceptionalism Narratives

⦁ Israel: The concept of being “chosen people(lol)” has sometimes been interpreted in ways that foster a sense of unique superiority, especially in religious or nationalist contexts. This could extend to political narratives emphasizing exceptionalism in historical or territorial claims.
⦁ USA: The idea of “American exceptionalism” promotes the belief that the United States has a unique mission to lead and set moral standards for the world, often accompanied by nationalistic fervor and defensiveness against criticism.
⦁ Hellenists(The Greeks): The enduring narrative of Greek cultural superiority, often rooted in the legacy of ancient Greece as the “cradle of Western civilization,” can manifest as a form of cultural narcissism. This includes the glorification of ancient Greek achievements in philosophy, the false democracy, art, sometimes accompanied by dismissive and hostile attitudes toward other cultures, minorities or modern developments.
⦁ British Empire Enthusiasts: A belief in the “civilizing mission” of imperialism.
⦁ China’s Middle Kingdom View: Seeing China as the center of civilization historically and culturally superior.
⦁ India’s Hindu Nationalism: Promoting the idea of Hindu culture as inherently superior.
⦁ Russia’s Eurasianism: Claiming a unique global destiny tied to its spiritual and cultural identity.
⦁ Japan (Pre-WWII Era): The idea of being a “divine nation” with a manifest destiny.

2. Ethnic or Religious Groups

⦁ The Catholic Church during its peak political dominance, claiming divine authority.
⦁ Christianity: Historically, certain Christian sects have promoted narratives of spiritual superiority, such as the belief that Christianity is the “one true faith.” This has fueled missionary efforts, colonial expansion, and conflicts with other religions under the guise of moral and divine superiority.
⦁ Islamic Supremacist Narratives: Groups asserting the inherent superiority of their religious or cultural values over others.
⦁ White Supremacist Groups: Ideologies rooted in racial superiority.
⦁ Confucian Scholars: Historically viewing their philosophical systems as the apex of ethical and political life.

3. Institutions and Organizations

⦁ Masonic Groups: Many Masonic or secretive fraternal organizations have, at times, fostered a sense of exclusivity and superiority among their members, emphasizing secret knowledge, rituals, and perceived moral or intellectual enlightenment.
⦁ Certain sects or denominations of Protestantism (e.g., Puritanism) that viewed themselves as “chosen” by God.

Political Movements:

⦁ Fascist regimes in Italy and Germany, built on myths of cultural and racial superiority.
⦁ Marxist-Leninist ideologies that positioned themselves as the inevitable next step in human history.
⦁ Educational Institutions: Elite universities that foster a culture of exclusivity and intellectual superiority.

4. Social and Ideological Movements

⦁ Colonial Powers: Justifying colonization with the “White Man’s Burden” ideology.
⦁ Technocratic Elitism: Modern groups or institutions that believe they alone have the right answers to societal problems due to their technical expertise.
⦁ Radical Environmentalists or Transhumanists: Occasionally promoting the view that their worldview is the only viable path for humanity’s survival.

5. Corporations and Professional Guilds

⦁ Corporate Narcissism: Companies like Apple or Tesla, at times fostering a culture where their brand is seen as inherently superior to competitors.
⦁ Professional Elitism: Certain professions (e.g., lawyers, doctors, engineers) that promote an aura of superiority or indispensability.

Collective narcissism isn’t limited to the examples above but extends to any group that over-inflates its self-worth while reacting defensively to perceived criticism. Its psychological mechanisms often involve insecurity and the need for validation, making it a fascinating subject for further exploration.

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Both belief in gods and patriotic/national fiction arise from the exploitation of similar cognitive mechanisms

Both belief in gods and patriotic fiction can arise from similar cognitive mechanisms. These mechanisms operate to help humans navigate social complexities, form cohesive groups, and imbue their experiences with meaning. Here are some cognitive mechanisms exploited by both phenomena:

1. Hyperactive Agency Detection

In Religion: The tendency to attribute events or phenomena to intentional agents (e.g., gods, spirits) helps explain uncertainties and provides comfort.
In Patriotism/Fiction: A nation is often anthropomorphized as a personified entity (e.g., “Motherland”) that acts with purpose and intention.

2. Theory of Mind

In Religion: Assigning beliefs, desires, and intentions to supernatural entities (e.g., gods listening to prayers).
In Patriotism/Fiction: Imagining the motivations or emotions of abstract entities like a country or conceptual heroes (e.g., “sacrificing for the nation’s good”).

3. In-Group/Out-Group Bias

In Religion: Strengthened by belief systems that define insiders (the faithful) and outsiders (non-believers or heretics).
In Patriotism/Fiction: Glorifying one’s own nation or group while casting outsiders as less noble or even adversarial.

4. Narrative Thinking

In Religion: Myths and sacred texts provide cohesive narratives that explain origins, ethics, and destiny.
In Patriotism/Fiction: Stories about national heroes, battles, or struggles create a shared history and purpose, fostering group identity.

5. Symbolism and Rituals

In Religion: Rituals and symbols create emotional resonance and bind communities (e.g., crosses, prayer practices).
In Patriotism/Fiction: Flags, anthems, and national holidays serve the same function, creating a sense of unity and identity.

6. Teleological Thinking
In Religion: The belief that everything has a purpose or design, often attributed to a divine plan.
In Patriotism/Fiction: Viewing the nation’s history or actions as part of a grand narrative with a meaningful destiny (e.g., manifest destiny).

7. Costly Signaling

In Religion: Demonstrating commitment through sacrifices, rituals, or public displays of faith strengthens group cohesion.
In Patriotism/Fiction: Military service, civic duties, or public demonstrations of loyalty (e.g., saluting the flag) show devotion to the group.

8. Cognitive Dissonance and Justification

⦁ In Religion: Believers reconcile conflicting evidence or ideas to maintain faith (e.g., explaining unanswered prayers as part of a divine plan).
⦁ In Patriotism/Fiction: Rationalizing national actions or policies, even when they seem flawed or contradictory, to preserve pride and loyalty.

9. Emotional Resonance

In Religion: Awe, fear, and hope reinforce belief in supernatural beings or divine authority.
In Patriotism/Fiction: Emotional appeals in patriotic symbols and stories foster love, pride, and sometimes fear of existential threats.

10. Cultural Transmission and Memes

In Religion: Religious ideas spread through teaching, storytelling, and imitation, becoming ingrained across generations.
In Patriotism/Fiction: National ideals and myths are similarly transmitted via education, media, and traditions.

Conclusion:
The overlap is extensive because both belief in gods and patriotic fiction are tied to the human propensity for meaning-making, social bonding, and survival within complex societies. These mechanisms help form resilient group identities, even if the specifics (deities vs. nations) differ. This shared foundation explains why the emotional and psychological impact of religion and patriotic narratives often feels so similar.

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''In individuals, insanity is rare; but in groups, parties, nations, and epochs, it is the rule." Fredrich Nietzsche

One of the central challenges in human history is the persistence of “us vs. them” mentalities. These divisions are often deeply ingrained in culture, politics, and social structures. While some may strive for unity, the majority often seem to cling to separations based on ethnicity, nationality, religion, or ideology. This mindset has perpetuated many of the darkest chapters in history.

The Roots of “Us vs. Them” Mentalities

Tribalism and In-Group Favoritism: From an evolutionary perspective, humans have evolved to favor their in-group for survival, often leading to suspicion or hostility toward outsiders. While this may have had adaptive value in early human history, it now manifests in harmful ways, such as nationalism, xenophobia, and racism.

Source: “The Social Animal” by Elliot Aronson explores the psychology behind in-group favoritism and out-group discrimination, showing that humans are wired to create such distinctions, even when no tangible difference exists between groups.

Political and Economic Systems: Throughout history, many political and economic systems have deliberately encouraged division to maintain power. Whether through patriotism, nationalism, colonialism, or imperialism, leaders have often used the “us vs. them” rhetoric to unite their people against an external enemy or to justify violence and exploitation.

Source: “The Wages of Destruction” by Adam Tooze looks at how economic and political structures have historically relied on creating enemies, both internal and external, to maintain control.

Social and Religious Divisions: Religion, ethnicity, and culture often contribute to these divisions. Whether it’s the “chosen people” rhetoric in various religious traditions or racial purity ideologies, these cultural constructs help justify exclusion and even violence toward those deemed “other.”

Source: “The Righteous Mind” by Jonathan Haidt delves into the moral foundations that drive people to form strong group identities and maintain barriers between them and others.

Challenges in Overcoming “Us vs. Them”

Fear and Mistrust: Fear of the unknown and the unfamiliar is one of the strongest emotional drivers of exclusion. This fear often gets exploited by political figures, media outlets, and even religious leaders who benefit from dividing people for their own gain.

Source: Studies on group dynamics, such as “The Psychology of Intergroup Conflict and Cooperation” by Peter G. Coleman, show how fear and perceived threats can fuel the us-vs-them mentality and escalate conflicts.

Historical Grievances: Long-standing conflicts and historical grievances often prevent meaningful reconciliation between groups. For example, the impact of colonialism, slavery, and various ethnic or religious wars creates deep scars that can last for generations, making it harder for individuals to see each other as part of a common human experience.

Source: “The International Human Rights Movement” by Aryeh Neier discusses how historical injustices—such as the Holocaust or apartheid—continue to shape collective memory and identity, fueling division even long after the events themselves.

Nationalism: Nationalism is a powerful force that highlights divisions. While it can create an unhealthy solidarity within a nation, it also risks turning that solidarity into an exclusionary force that labels anyone outside the national identity as “other.”

Source: “Nationalism and Its Alternatives” by John Hutchinson explores how nationalism can both unify and divide, creating an “us” that excludes those who do not fit the narrow criteria of national belonging.

Why Overcoming “Us vs. Them” is Hard

Even with awareness of history and human psychology, overcoming these entrenched mentalities remains a monumental challenge. Cultural, political, and psychological factors all play a role in perpetuating division. The key question is whether humans, as a collective, can transcend these divisions for a more unified global society.

However, the road to unity is not without hope. While it may seem like division is the natural state, there are countervailing forces in history that show humanity’s potential for collaboration and commonality.

Source: “The Better Angels of Our Nature” by Steven Pinker offers a somewhat optimistic view of human progress, arguing that, over time, violence and conflict have actually decreased due to the spread of empathy, trade, and international cooperation, even as we continue to face challenges.

Conclusion: Striving for a Shared Humanity

Many continue to hold on to “us vs. them” dynamics despite the potential for a more unified world. Yet, history shows that collective action, when motivated by shared humanity and global cooperation, can overcome these divides. The question remains whether this potential can outweigh the forces that seek to maintain separation. Overcoming this inherent division requires continual effort, and it’s up to us, individually and collectively, to shape how future generations will define “us.”

In the end, acknowledging our shared humanity, and working toward breaking down unnecessary barriers between groups such us constructed identities based on fiction(religious, national, ethnic etc.), might be one of the most challenging but necessary tasks to create a more just and peaceful world.

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Contradicts altruism and humanism.

Patriotism, by its nature, tends to center on loyalty and love for one’s own country, sometimes at the expense of broader, more universal forms of compassion or altruism toward all of humanity. This focus on national pride and allegiance often creates boundaries between “us” and “them,” leading people to prioritize the well-being of their country over that of others, which contradicts the principle of altruism(acting selflessly for the benefit of all).

Altruism, which involves concern for the well-being of others, often transcends national borders, emphasizing shared humanity. Patriotism, on the other hand, can encourage attachment to one’s nation-state, fosters an “us vs. them” mentality that may not support universal cooperation or empathy.

Patriotism is inherently opposed to altruism, especialy when it becomes excessively nationalistic or exclusionary, it can limit one’s capacity to empathize with or act for the benefit of others outside their nation. This contradiction is evident in discussions about nationalism, where extreme devotion to one’s country may conflict with universal solidarity or humanitarian efforts.

Some philosophers, like Bertrand Russell and Albert Einstein, critiqued patriotism for its potential to promote divisiveness rather than Universal unity, which they believed was essential for addressing global challenges like war, inequality, and environmental issues.

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