Islam and the rationalization for the rewards

I have often wondered about the “rewards” for the folks that follow Islam. If your reward is a bunch of “virgins” Then I would think that these men would be thinking that they are carrying their penises to glory with them. Didn’t they just blow it up when they, flew into a building, strapped explosive to themselves and blew something up, etc.? Besides that, another question is, why virgins? If you are perhaps hung like a gerbil then I can see why, but you going too have to teach 72 “virgins” all about all the fun things to do. I would want 72 whores so you don’t have to train them. You just start out running from the start. Just my 2 cents.

Apparently the virgins are just ‘dates.’ (A snack.) It has been said that Muslim martyrs will be rewarded with 72 virgins in heaven, or paradise. But a growing number of Quran scholars and Islamic theologians have contested its interpretation.

In the CNN special show “Why They Hate Us” in 2016, Canadian author and Quran scholar Irshad Manji said the word “virgin” in the Quran meant “raisin.”

Read more: ‘Raisins,’ not ‘Virgins,’ Quran scholars say
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Can you imagine? After everything here :earth_africa: and then this?

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Thanks I will have to look into that.

|Many, if not the majority of Muslim men|

Edited, A large portion of Muslim men are very small minded and jealous of their women.

They cannot handle the idea of another man doing anything with ‘their property.’

That is the root of the issue, plain and simple, women are things in their eyes, subhuman, this is further demonstrated by their rhetoric of ‘women can’t reason, only think with emotion.’

“How dreadful are the curses which Mohammedanism lays on its votaries! Besides the fanatical frenzy, which is as dangerous in a man as hydrophobia in a dog, there is this fearful fatalistic apathy. The effects are apparent in many countries. Improvident habits, slovenly systems of agriculture, sluggish methods of commerce, and insecurity of property exist wherever the followers of the Prophet rule or live. A degraded sensualism deprives this life of its grace and refinement; the next of its dignity and sanctity. The fact that in Mohammedan law every woman must belong to some man as his absolute property – either as a child, a wife, or a concubine – must delay the final extinction of slavery until the faith of Islam has ceased to be a great power among men. Thousands become the brave and loyal soldiers of the faith: all know how to die but the influence of the religion paralyses the social development of those who follow it. No stronger retrograde force exists in the world. Far from being moribund, Mohammedanism is a militant and proselytizing faith. It has already spread throughout Central Africa, raising fearless warriors at every step; and were it not that Christianity is sheltered in the strong arms of science, the science against which it had vainly struggled, the civilisation of modern Europe might fall, as fell the civilisation of ancient Rome.” - Winston Churchill.


Since I pin theists to the wall to provide this information, I’ll give atheists equal time, so to speak. Please provide the arithmetic you used to arrive at the quantities of many and majority.

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Pew Research Study in America MEN 42% Women 41% Most muslims are men.

INDIA 936 Muslim Females for Every 1000 Muslim Men. Most muslims are men.

WOW! Tall order. It seems most Islamic countries are not interested at all in anything to do with gender and population. A tough demographic to compile in 30 minutes on Google.

Pew research statistics clearly show how many are in favour sharia law, Sharia law is categorically in favour of segregation of men and women, and also when scrutinised, very sexist.

As I stated before.

Mohammedan law, which is essentially Sharia law, specifically states women must belong to some man.

Here are other verses in the Qur’an, the book that Sharia law is inspired by and adhering to.

Sura (Chapter) 2:223
Your women are your fields, so go into your fields whichever way you like.

Sura 2:228
Wives have the same rights as the husbands have on them in accordance with the generally
known principles. Of course, men are a degree above them in status.

Sura 4:11
The share of the male shall be twice that of a female.

Sura 2:282
And let two men from among you bear witness to all such documents [contracts of loans without
interest]. But if two men be not available, there should be one man and two women to bear
witness so that if one of the women forgets (anything), the other may remind her.

Sura 2:230
And if the husband divorces his wife (for the third time), she shall not remain his lawful wife
after this (absolute) divorce, unless she marries another husband and the second husband
divorces her. [In that case] there is no harm if they [the first couple] remarry.

Sura 4:24
And forbidden to you are wedded wives of other people except those who have fallen in your
hands [as prisoners of war]

Sura 4:3
And if you be apprehensive that you will not be able to do justice to the orphans, you may marry
two or three or four women whom you choose. But if you apprehend that you might not be able
to do justice to them, then marry only one wife, or marry those who have fallen in your

Sura 4:129
It is not within your power to be perfectly equitable in your treatment with all your wives, even if
you wish to be so; therefore, [in order to satisfy the dictates of Divine Law] do not lean towards
one wife so as to leave the other in a state of suspense.

Sura 4:34
If you fear highhandedness from your wives, remind them [of the teaching of God], then
ignore them when you go to bed, then hit them. If they obey you, you have no right to act
against them. God is most high and great.

Sura 65:1, 4
O Prophet, when you [and the believers] divorce women, divorce them for their prescribed
waiting—period and count the waiting—period accurately and if you are in doubt about
those of your women who have despaired of menstruation, (you should know that) their waiting
period is three months, and the same applies to those who have not menstruated as yet. As for
pregnant women, their period ends when they have delivered their burden.

Honestly, there’s loads more, but I am getting pretty sickened by re-reading this garbage.

I hope this adequately backs up my previous assertion, if it doesn’t please highlight why, so I can further work to cement my position.

Would you want 72 virgins, or one cock hungry women from Dundee, that knows what she’s doing with it…

The agony of choice


Thank you @Wily_cat, for the link to the Pew study. It was an interesting read. I’m not sure if you noticed or not but the study provided results per a set of countries, not for the total of all Muslims.

From the study report, “ Overwhelming percentages of Muslims in many countries want Islamic law (sharia) to be the official law of the land, according to a worldwide survey by the Pew Research Center. But many supporters of sharia say it should apply only to their country’s Muslim population.”
Note it says “many countries”, not all countries.

Also, although the U.S. was mentioned, the study graphs did not include any or all Western Europe, N and S American countries. Therefore, not all Muslims so it never reports anything about the overall majority. I also don’t remember seeing any data about the sex of those interviewed. Was it all men? Perhaps I missed that. So I’m still dubious about the initial claim you made.

The report also says that of those interviewed, the majority said they favored democracy and thought sharia law should apply only to Muslims, not everyone, and that most felt tolerance toward other religions. I find that interesting.

Do I think there are folks who adhere to Islam who are small-minded and misogynistic? Of course! I also think there are small-minded, misogynistic people in pretty much any category you can name, including atheists. No one corners the market on that. Do I think Islam is a horrible religion? Absolutely! Do I think the majority of Muslims are horrible people? Probably not.

I see the issue, and as the data is incomplete, it doesn’t cover the claim.

I do believe I would be able to find data that agrees with the initial claim I made, but as it would be exhausting, I’ve chosen to retract that claim, and alter my position to something that is more easily defended/accurate.


Great! It sure would be nice if more folks did this what their assertions were shown to be flawed. :grin:

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I think that was my point when I looked into answering Cybers question. The data is not there.

Ah, but you could have 72 cock hungry virgins, that have been taught the theory of knowing what to do with it.

All from Dundee, if that is your preference.

There are no virgins in Dundee…

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YOUR QUOTE OF DESPAIR TOWARDS THE SICKENING RELIGION OF ISLAM: “Honestly, there’s loads more, but I am getting pretty sickened by re-reading this garbage.”

Lest we forget, lets take your sickening position of Islam a little further in the fact that the sweaty assed camel rider Mohammed, who was illiterate and could not even read or write, or understand the Arabic language, married a SIX YEAR OLD INNOCENT LITTLE GIRL named Aisha when he was 53 years old, and consummated the marriage when she was NINE YEARS OLD to be able to screw her silly as an outright PEDOPHILE in todays standards!

Narrated by Aisha: “that the Prophet married her when she was six years old and he consummated his marriage when she was nine years old, and then she remained with him for nine years till his death. (Sahih Bukhari Volume 7, Book 62, Number 64:)

Furthermore, even in recent times the despicable Muslim men married innocent young girls, that through tradition, could start at nine years old before they can even have babies, as shown in the link below!

Islam, the most abhorred religion known to mankind in the 21st century!


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Oh believe me, I am more than aware of how deep and dark this rabbit hole goes.

I used to attend EDL rallies, and they almost always turned violent off in the side streets, I deliberately avoid the subject nowadays, as I am not proud of actions I took during these times. (legal disclaimer; of course all in self defence or the defence of others! :eyes:)

What I will say, is how much is going on in places like Luton with the grooming gangs.

There was a petition to release the police forces statistics on ethnicity of the ones arrested for these gangs, which were predominately ethnicities that are majority Muslim.

The petition won by a large margin, yet the police never released the statistics.

This is just the tip of the iceberg when it comes to the UK government’s duplicity in covering up the sickening actions happening within Islamic communities. (all in the name of multi culturalism.)

Now, I don’t have anything against multi culturalism per-say, but that isn’t what is happening when it comes to Muslim immigration, as Islam does not promote integration over subjugation of cultures, look to Iran for a prime example of what happens when a country becomes a Muslim majority.

The goal of Islam has always been to create a global (or I should say worldwide) Caliphate.

Of course, ‘not all Muslims’ but I can attest that it is a large swath of Muslims that want world wide Sharia.

When it comes to Islam, it is the one religion I despise above all others.

One aspect, I must mention, is the the majority (I can back that up) of Muslims believe that Mohammed was/is the perfect example of a man, that every Muslim should aspire to.

Which is directly responsible for child marriage and paedophilia with Islam.